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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#261 - 2012-10-26 15:09:34 UTC
Miss Trapper wrote:
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.

We should have corestwo write an article about in on themittani, that sure will speed up things!
Miss Trapper
Doomheim
#262 - 2012-10-26 15:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Trapper
Xolve wrote:
Miss Trapper wrote:
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.


Actually- most bitter Goons are more than happy with the prospect of no more member corps.

Last I recall, we went out of our way to prevent people from joining the alliance; but you know, magical things can happen for a paltry sum of 500m.


True, I didn't think about that. Well, here is another fun "exploit" somebody posted over in Warfare and Tactics:

If you have a corp in your alliance that you don't like and want to boot, you can force them to disband their corp.

Step 1. Have your alliance wardec you 1-man alt corp.
Step 2. 1 man alt corp sets the dec mutual
Step 3. Boot the corp from your alliance
Step 4. Have the 1 man alt corp set the resulting war dec with the booted corp mutual.
Step 5. Have the 1 man alt corp unset the alliance war mutual and surrender.

You now have trapped the booted corp and they can never join a new alliance. There is no tracing back who declared war, so if you guys want to use some high level director spies you can force your enemies corps to disband before they can reform a new alliance. Just a thought...
Le Prospecteur
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#263 - 2012-10-26 16:11:13 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Miss Trapper wrote:
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.


you don't read well it seems, they are being protected by Dec Shield (quite the opposite of being trapped)


Though GSF may not be trapped, am i right in believing corps kicked from Dec Shield can still join other alliances? If so, just create a throwaway corp, join Dec Shield, get kicked, join Manifest Destiny. now got the pleasure of both? Rinse & repeat every week/two weeks at leisure.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#264 - 2012-10-27 03:59:45 UTC
Le Prospecteur wrote:

Though GSF may not be trapped, am i right in believing corps kicked from Dec Shield can still join other alliances? If so, just create a throwaway corp, join Dec Shield, get kicked, join Manifest Destiny. now got the pleasure of both? Rinse & repeat every week/two weeks at leisure.


Actually- you are incorrect.

Corps/Alliances involved in a Mutual war can only leave that alliance, and only re-join that alliance.

Neither side may accept new corps for the duration of the war.
Tetsuigablm
Channel Six News
#265 - 2012-10-27 09:39:37 UTC
So whats to stop people from just leaving the corp and making another one and starting the whole thing over, so some guy trys to pirate the people im with, so i dec him for it, and all of a sudden im the bad guy, they can just join your tidy little outfit, and poof were engaged with some ******** amount of people, your system is clearly working as intended....
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#266 - 2012-10-27 20:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Tetsuigablm wrote:
So whats to stop people from just leaving the corp and making another one and starting the whole thing over, so some guy trys to pirate the people im with, so i dec him for it, and all of a sudden im the bad guy, they can just join your tidy little outfit, and poof were engaged with some ******** amount of people, your system is clearly working as intended....


Since I allied with Dec Shield last year, I have "collected" over 60 closed corporations/alliances, +/- 20 billion in kills and nearly nothing in losses, a tear pool that's kept me subscribed through some terrible expansions and patches P

As a matter of fact some of the larger alliances have actually done exactly what I suggested previously and what you're on to - close and reopen under same name. If you're a true griefer/merc you don't care what your history looks like. The problem are for the carebear wanna be grifers with POS's anchored and assets in space. Cry

I just had a sizable alliance leader contact me in game via email and ask me to help him get his alliance out of the war trap. There's nothing anybody can really do once you get snared by Zerg. Not even Zerg can stop the hurt once the trap is set.

All Hail Zerg!

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#267 - 2012-10-27 21:34:59 UTC
Wait what, who the hell is declaring wars on people and has POS towers? Because you should tell me.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#268 - 2012-10-27 23:40:07 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Wait what, who the hell is declaring wars on people and has POS towers? Because you should tell me.


spacebears who think they're good... Noir P

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Sanya Mazepa
Department of Health and Wellness
#269 - 2012-10-28 03:20:40 UTC
The worst decision any ceo can make is joining this alliance. I have inherited 150 wars. Giving me more grief than I began with.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#270 - 2012-10-28 17:14:58 UTC
Sanya Mazepa wrote:
The worst decision any ceo can make is joining this alliance. I have inherited 150 wars. Giving me more grief than I began with.


amazing how this thread is like the 3rd threadnaught on the topic for the past 3 months and people are just getting it

take down your POS's close your corp and reopen it

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#271 - 2012-10-28 17:46:02 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Wait what, who the hell is declaring wars on people and has POS towers? Because you should tell me.


spacebears who think they're good... Noir P

I was hoping for a surprise, we all knew Alekseyev karrde didn't actually care about PVP anyway, that much has been very apparent since about the time he decided that his stance on every single PVP related mechanics change was "Don't worry I'm sure this change will be good for PVP".
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#272 - 2012-10-28 19:42:45 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Wait what, who the hell is declaring wars on people and has POS towers? Because you should tell me.


spacebears who think they're good... Noir P

I was hoping for a surprise, we all knew Alekseyev karrde didn't actually care about PVP anyway, that much has been very apparent since about the time he decided that his stance on every single PVP related mechanics change was "Don't worry I'm sure this change will be good for PVP".

Neutral-repair-bear detected.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#273 - 2012-10-28 19:46:53 UTC
BRILLIANT!

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#274 - 2012-10-28 21:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Neutral-repair-bear detected.

I and people like me voted for you because you're the leader of one of the most well known mercenary organizations in the game and because we knew that changes to the war mechanics were on the slate for development. We did so knowing that you have always been very publicly against the use of neutral logistics and trusted that regardless of that you'd work to see that the mechanics changes were in the interest of the gameplay not sucking balls.

And here we are sitting here post inferno with a record low number of listed mercs in the merc contracts channel, every merc corp and alliance in the game entangled in a giant mass of mutual wars that shouldn't exist, charging clients unreasonable fees just to cover the cost of declaring war and with The 0rphanage disbanded and you think that the reason people are upset with you is a mechanic that we assumed was being changed anyway?

You're either totally detached from reality or you're being intellectually disingenuous to shirk making real responses to criticism, either way your failure to represent the people who got you your position on the CSM is absolute and your dismissive attitude is childish and disgraceful.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#275 - 2012-10-28 22:33:45 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Neutral-repair-bear detected.

I and people like me voted for you because you're the leader of one of the most well known mercenary organizations in the game and because we knew that changes to the war mechanics were on the slate for development. We did so knowing that you have always been very publicly against the use of neutral logistics and trusted that regardless of that you'd work to see that the mechanics changes were in the interest of the gameplay not sucking balls.

And here we are sitting here post inferno with a record low number of listed mercs in the merc contracts channel, every merc corp and alliance in the game entangled in a giant mass of mutual wars that shouldn't exist, charging clients unreasonable fees just to cover the cost of declaring war and with The 0rphanage disbanded and you think that the reason people are upset with you is a mechanic that we assumed was being changed anyway?

You're either totally detached from reality or you're being intellectually disingenuous to shirk making real responses to criticism, either way your failure to represent the people who got you your position on the CSM is absolute and your dismissive attitude is childish and disgraceful.

Alekseyev Karrde has actually been incredibly supportive of the goals of fixing wardecs. I genuinely feel bad about trapping him, and Hans Jagerblitzen because they're on the side of the people here. The CSM are on your side, every week they're pushing CCP to fix wardecs.

In other news, we just trapped Ushra'Khan, 297 man alliance, 11 corps. \o/
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#276 - 2012-10-29 02:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
I genuinely feel bad about trapping him


Hold that thought.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Stinky Vegina
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#277 - 2012-10-29 03:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Stinky Vegina
I personally think that this is awesome, we just got into a war with **** Shield and we're looking forward to re-deccing the other corps that joined and then left.

If ISK was an issue we'd be mining.

As far a pvpers go; you have Holeysheet from what I see and he's always baked and with his 2 alts for remote rep as every fail pvper in empire has so no major issues there...and you really think that a pvp corp or alliance with join you to try to hunt other pvpers?

I for one welcome **** Shield, it's an awesome way for us to:
pick new targets
Get great info on who wants to and doesn't want to PVP
Who flies what and related KB info from their alliance Death board

Please, corps and alliance keep joining, it makes our life easier and with a ton less work on who to source out for deccing in the future...in fact you might as well stay in **** Shield as you'll get dec'd either way now.

Cheers
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#278 - 2012-10-29 07:40:07 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
In other news, we just trapped Ushra'Khan, 297 man alliance, 11 corps. \o/
I want that warcec ! For my collection ♥

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#279 - 2012-10-29 08:00:09 UTC
Stinky Vegina wrote:
I personally think that this is awesome, we just got into a war with **** Shield and we're looking forward to re-deccing the other corps that joined and then left.

If ISK was an issue we'd be mining.

As far a pvpers go; you have Holeysheet from what I see and he's always baked and with his 2 alts for remote rep as every fail pvper in empire has so no major issues there...and you really think that a pvp corp or alliance with join you to try to hunt other pvpers?

I for one welcome **** Shield, it's an awesome way for us to:
pick new targets
Get great info on who wants to and doesn't want to PVP
Who flies what and related KB info from their alliance Death board

Please, corps and alliance keep joining, it makes our life easier and with a ton less work on who to source out for deccing in the future...in fact you might as well stay in **** Shield as you'll get dec'd either way now.

Cheers

There is exactly 0% chance of you maintaining wardecs against all the people that leave Dec Shield. 0%. The cost will end up being billions per week. All bark and no bite. Let's revisit these assertions in a month's time and then I'll congratulate you if you do as you say. If so I applaud the isk sink.

Reppyk wrote:

I want that warcec ! For my collection ♥

You are more than welcome to the war, you'll want to thin it out from the other current wars we have, so apply to Dec Shield with an xfer corp and you can get started with that process :P
Wong Wing
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#280 - 2012-10-29 11:05:22 UTC
Ummm can someone correct me if im wrong but if the agressing corp removes all isk from thier corp wallet once they are "trapped" the war will end after a week due to insufficeint funds to pay for the war ?

Im pretty sure thats how it works or at least used to work and so no-one will be "trapped" in a war v dec shield unless they are complete retards.