Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello,

I hate align time of my orca, and i hear its even worse on freighters and on top of that their warp speed is extremely slow. Its like double nerf. On top of that freighters are extremely expensvive and require somewhat expensive skills. Thats actually triple nerf.

There is no reason they should be nerfed in this manner, because moving stuff around is not a bad thing. Realistically freighters should have a slower align time and possibly slow warp speed, i agree with that, but the state they are in currently is beyond reason. To be honest CCP should consider putting a cap on align time of all ships, because current align times have become overinflated.

Basically Align time = downtime. Its time where you just sit and stare at the screen, its boring and discouraing. You cant measure how many people leave the game because of the align times, and its likely not a sole reason for people leaving, but it is no doubt a contributing factor as align time is actually a nuisance.

Imo CCP needs to consider wether they are designing a nuisance or an obstacle. There is a difference between the two imo. Having a game with too many nuisances will eventually make people quit. Having a game with obstacles will make people play. Basically what i mean is, a nuisance is something you cant do anything about where as an obstacle is a challange and something you can do something about. Thats the essence of any game, a challenge at the core consisting of obstacles players can overcome.

So the align times especially on freighters are a nuisance. It should be turned into an obstacle. And it could be done by giving pilots the ability to fit their freighters. First of all lets make it clear that the freighters have huge cargo-bays, meaning a 5% increase to cargo capacity is alot. For this matter a 5% decrease is also alot. Thats why i believe any attribute that affects cargo bay, regardless of its a bonus or "debonus" should not affect a freighter. This means there is no penalty in using an overdrive, however there is no bonus in using a cargo expander either. Its not unbelievable either, from the games perspective as because of the large and "special" cargo bay of the freighter, modules cannot affect it.

So to keep things simple freighters shouldnt get too many slots. And to be honest the only slots that really matter as far as i can tell are the low-lots because thats where you improve align times and what not. However i actually suggest frieghters get high slots and med slots as well just to give people something to experiment with. I mean, even the old school industrial ships have high slots. So,1 slot each. 1 high, 1 med, 1 low on each freighter. I realise 1 istab is not going to make a difference on a freighter, it certainly doesent on my orca. This is why i believe their default align times should be lowered. Even if 1 slot/istab still does not significantly improve align time, the new default reduction to lets say 15-20 secs will have freighter owners rejoice, and as if that isnt enough the ability for them to expirement with fits although pretty limited, will just add to their satisfaction.
Well, thats why i think long align times are bad, and freighters at least could use an overhaul.

Really? 20 seconds is too little for a gate camp. I think you are understimating them. Gatecampers can catch cloaking frigs and what not atm. Its called instalocking. Once the align times goes beyond 10-15 seconds it doesnt add anything but a noisance for players

Hi :)

What does it mean?

You cant figure out what i mean?

You got it wrong im afraid. Its important ships has fittings else eve would not be eve. Imagine if they made a "PVP ship" with prefitted guns and that was your only option

Align times that take longer than 20 secs is poor design tho

Or send me 40 million.

No, wait...15? Right? Am I scamming correctly?

It seems that people do not understand the core problem which is freighters are dull. You could easily improve the align time and warp time, without it wrecking the economy. The problem is freighters are boring and way too time consuming and they dont have to. I understand that they shouldnt be insta warpers, but they wont be with align time >20 secs. They would simply become less excrutiating to pilot, whereas they can still be tackled, ganked and what not

You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "diminishing returns" in EVE. If you want to be more and more effective you must pay exponentially more. And even then, it's no guarantee.

For example: my carrier costs about 2 billion ISK. It has around 1.2 million EHP, can repair about 2k DPS (9K while in triage), and field about 900 DPS in fighters. However... I can be pinned down indefinitely by a 30 million ISK Malediction (T2 Frigate) using a warp disruptor and my fighters (valued at 15 million ISK a pop) won't even scratch it. Hell... Warrior II drones won't either if that interceptor is speed fit.


Actually, 20 seconds makes a HUMONGOUS difference for traders. The distance between Jita and Amarr is... what? 30 or so jumps? Assuming that a Freighter pilot doesn't use the "instawarp" trick...

40 seconds x 30 jumps = 1200 seconds ( 20 minutes) just aligning.

20 seconds x 30 jumps = 600 seconds (10 minutes) just aligning.

And yes... you're right... not many players want to sit through 20 minutes of watching their ship just point in the right direction.
HOWEVER... this is INTENTIONAL.
It is this time sink that restricts trade between different regions and causes price differences... which allows those traders who ARE willing to put the effort into sitting through 20 minutes of aligning to profit.
This same reasoning can also be applied when the freighter is being used as a corporate/alliance asset to move war materials across the map.

Now... you may point towards Jump Freighters and their ability to use a jump drive to bypass all the aligning and warping. What about their ability to move ships and goods?
Well... there is a reason they cost upwards of ten times as much as a normal freighter and have around a third of their T1 brethren's cargo capacity.

Isn't that considered an exploit leading to bannishment?