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You can still earn 200+ mil an hour doing faction warfare
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#21 - 2012-10-26 02:33:00 UTC
Areana Starr wrote:
While ur training up those accounts to do "better" things, you can afk plex. I mean your alts need to be trained up anyway right?

You are also forgetting that you can essentially get free accounts by the buddy system. Sure you have to upgrade, but you also get the plex



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Areana Starr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-10-26 02:49:33 UTC
Lol what does that have anything to do with my original post. I just posted that FW still has a lot of farming potential and that's it. I didn't even say if I'm doing it, or enjoy doing it, etc. I think the system needs to be changed because its having the opposite of the intended effect. The opposite militias have no incentive to be in the same system.

The defense plexers have most incentive to be their own most vulnerable territory and the opposing militia has no
Incentive to be there since they won't get LP.

The offensive plexers have most incentive to be in opposing militia territory with lowest vulnerability while the opposing militia has no incentive to be there.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#23 - 2012-10-26 03:09:44 UTC
Farmers will farm. No matter what CCP does, people will look for ways to game the system.

I can only say, yeah, sure if someone wants to run 4 alts doing plexes.. well... have fun I guess. Some of us are looking at the new system and already having fights and enjoying the pew.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#24 - 2012-10-26 05:32:12 UTC
No need to run 4 afk plexing alts.

If semi afk isk is your goal - play the markets. You can earn more there afk than doing anything else in eve if you play smart.

A few mil can turn into a few bil in a very short time if you work on high turnover items. Only deal in high margin/slow moving items once already filthy rich.




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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-10-26 05:57:12 UTC
HAHAHAHAHA.
Try that again in two weeks.
After two weeks you will have to search for defensive plexing after Metro and Caldari space is gone.
Bye bye plexing plague! I have lived to see that **** end.

I know that the amount of plexing is still massive. But only for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
After that you should better start play the game instead of stupid orbit button.
Actually this is the best patch from CCP I have ever seen.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#26 - 2012-10-26 08:28:09 UTC
I hope it is not possible!
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#27 - 2012-10-26 08:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
A lot can still be done to fix and improve but the changes seem forking fine so far, a lots of orbital faggots are already gone and I think many will in the next weeks


Edit. Also the militia channel seems slightly improving, no more 24/7 "hey why you leeching my plex?" and "guys when is the next T5 push"?
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-10-26 10:53:25 UTC
I really hate all this isk for AFK warfare

I joined this to PvP but as I get 50 LP for being part of a frig kill and 10000 LP for 10 minutes in a plex I guess I got this game wrong again Ugh

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#29 - 2012-10-26 11:59:38 UTC
Well, apparently most players already figured out how to abuse these new mechanics but it still required to much for one entity. Unless you're defending and the other milltia is actively trying to take systems. That would mean these new mechanics would favor the Gallente milltia over the Caldari milltia for example. (I may be wrong)

Once one milltia stops attacking the other, then the whole process is meaningless unless a alt corp is put into the other millitia to do the offensive work. This all requires work or a deal being made between 2 entities. ( I may be wrong)

One gallente corp and one caldari corp agree to live in the same constellations as each other. No one intereferes with the other (NAP) in those 8 systems. Each entity holds 4 systems and push them back and forth. Outside of those 8 systems they pew each other etc. Sh!t like that.



Or! This could be a deal between both milltias and expanded over the whole war zone and divide systems equally etc. No flipping systems (structure nap), everything stays the same and both sides make isk and pew.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#30 - 2012-10-26 13:48:19 UTC
Passive Targeters ftw.

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#31 - 2012-10-26 14:30:22 UTC
its 50m per hour, and sorry but that's ****...only worth the effort if your getting pvp at the same time.

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Areana Starr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-10-26 16:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Areana Starr
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA.
Try that again in two weeks.
After two weeks you will have to search for defensive plexing after Metro and Caldari space is gone.
Bye bye plexing plague! I have lived to see that **** end.

I know that the amount of plexing is still massive. But only for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
After that you should better start play the game instead of stupid orbit button.
Actually this is the best patch from CCP I have ever seen.



Why is everyone saying " in 2 weeks?" what will happen in 2 weeks? You are predicting the balance in 2 weeks and assuming it will be a certain way? How would u know if amarr/caldari will give up and stop
Offensive plexing? Last time I checked, minmatar and gallente had a lot
Of systems with over 50% vulnerability.

And what people mentioned above is likely to happen. If farmers can't farm anymore, they will have alts on the other side plexing also.

I'm actually predicting both sides simultaneously at tier 3 with equal defensive and offensive plexing.


And yes it's 50 mil per account, but in this case it's feasible to run multiple accounts. Obviously u don't want to talk about tier 4 missions the same way because it's much harder to run those simultaneously with 4 accounts and it's not very efficient and much riskier. In this case though, 4+ accounts is very efficient and easy to pull off and you
Can use brand new characters.
Dan Carter Murray
#33 - 2012-10-26 16:34:47 UTC
Asari Tadaruwa wrote:
with this logic you can make 1b an hour with FW. just takes 25 accounts


uh actually it's 10bil an hour with 250 accounts

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The Logi
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-10-26 16:37:09 UTC
I don't even get outta bed for 50mil an hour. You can make that afk mining, and are less likely to get shot in high sec (if you equip a tank). Not to mention this wont even be viable in a few days when things get decontested. It is unlikely people will offensive plex a buffer (past vulnerable), as there is no LP awarded once a system goes vuln. Systems wont sit at vuln like they do now. Its hardly afk when you have to spend 20min looking for every plex you run. Fail OP is fail.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2012-10-26 16:37:58 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Or! This could be a deal between both milltias and expanded over the whole war zone and divide systems equally etc. No flipping systems (structure nap), everything stays the same and both sides make isk and pew.

Something like this has always been possible: "You leave my mission runners alone, and I'll leave yours alone" Fortunately, there are griefers on all sides.
Areana Starr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-10-26 17:38:05 UTC
The Logi wrote:
I don't even get outta bed for 50mil an hour. You can make that afk mining, and are less likely to get shot in high sec (if you equip a tank). Not to mention this wont even be viable in a few days when things get decontested. It is unlikely people will offensive plex a buffer (past vulnerable), as there is no LP awarded once a system goes vuln. Systems wont sit at vuln like they do now. Its hardly afk when you have to spend 20min looking for every plex you run. Fail OP is fail.



Well than its not for you, I'm not saying you should do it, or anyone should do it. Many ppl don't have the elite skills you have to make 300+ mil an hour. It's good for beginners because there is nothing that makes more with low skills.

You don't have to do 100% vulnerable systems. 50% + is pretty good LP. And make more than that afk mining? What skills you need for that, maybe perfect mining skills and orca boosts? This can be done with an hour old char.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#37 - 2012-10-26 17:47:57 UTC
Areana Starr wrote:
With a tier 3 war zone control, you can earn about 25k isk defensive plexing a major with high vulnerability. Let's say you do that twice an hour.

It's much easier to do this now with minmatar than the old offensive plexing because there are many more systems and they are pretty empty compared to the 5 or so systems amarr had previously and that were full of players on both sides. The fitting is really easy too, all you need is 2 warp core stabs. Heck, you can get an incursus with 4 warp core stabs and a cloak.

This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.

With 4 accounts that's 200 mil isk per hour with lp=1000 isk, which is what it is now. It won't really go down below this cause cheaper faction ships will increase demand anyway, or else everyone will be flying faction stabbers, firetails, etc.


Only problem with defence plexing is that some one has to attack plex to contest systems, and that is not so profitable and easy, so easy defending will end when all contested levels are down.

If you have high tier and you want to defend problem is that enemy has low tier in theory and they are not willing to attack plex, they join to your militia and do missions.
Areana Starr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-10-26 17:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Areana Starr
Bad Messenger wrote:
Areana Starr wrote:
With a tier 3 war zone control, you can earn about 25k isk defensive plexing a major with high vulnerability. Let's say you do that twice an hour.

It's much easier to do this now with minmatar than the old offensive plexing because there are many more systems and they are pretty empty compared to the 5 or so systems amarr had previously and that were full of players on both sides. The fitting is really easy too, all you need is 2 warp core stabs. Heck, you can get an incursus with 4 warp core stabs and a cloak.

This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.

With 4 accounts that's 200 mil isk per hour with lp=1000 isk, which is what it is now. It won't really go down below this cause cheaper faction ships will increase demand anyway, or else everyone will be flying faction stabbers, firetails, etc.


Only problem with defence plexing is that some one has to attack plex to contest systems, and that is not so profitable and easy, so easy defending will end when all contested levels are down.

If you have high tier and you want to defend problem is that enemy has low tier in theory and they are not willing to attack plex, they join to your militia and do missions.



You can always offensive plex to bring the vuln up. Its not that hard to do a minor, can be done easy with frigs. I doubt it will balance at such a skew. If the other side doesn't want to offensive plex, you have free roam to do it yourself with no one to bug you. Even with amarr at tier 2, it's still good LP.

And if everyone starts doing missions, that will provide incentive for the losing side to....... Pvp? And kill the mission runners? That way you won't even suffer sec hits.

So in the end,
Farmers: pick winning side and plex/mission
Pvpers: pick opposing side and kill the numerous juicy opposing militia farmers/mission runners.

Win win for all
Frozen Fallout
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#39 - 2012-10-26 20:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Frozen Fallout
The thing is its not paying even close to what it was paying which is good. Also once all the systems become decontested and you wont be getting 30% to 75% as levels will probably drop quick to around the teens in contested unless a group of people plex the system in PvE/PvP ships that can get caught. Even if you say "Well I have 4 accounts I can easily Offensive plex now" you are going to still be hunted by the PvPers on the other side.

I think your right some people will be punks and still meta game the **** out of the system and make a profit doing it. Sure you can be a punk and never donate and never do pvp and always run with all your 4 accounts meta gaming the system where you spend hours with 3 accounts getting the contested rating up maybe 20% if you don't get hassled, which you will be. You still getting crap isk with that 1 day old alt at such a low %. I think the way it was before you could do it with a 1 day old alt or be super new to the game and still be able to make tens of billions of isk in a month or if you where unlucky and missed turn in day you had to wait another month. And not everyone was making money off the old system I know many people that have millions of LP and have quite due to missing turn in days. Im hoping they will come back now and help dump systems.

But in the end its way more effort now to meta game the system and much easier to just play it. Only time will tell how things go but from what I have seen so far Im happy. And once we see contested levels drop we will probably see a boost in PvP and offensive Large group plexing.
Areana Starr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-10-26 20:22:45 UTC
Frozen Fallout wrote:
The thing is its not paying even close to what it was paying which is good. Also once all the systems become decontested and you wont be getting 30% to 75% as levels will probably drop quick to around the teens in contested unless a group of people plex the system in PvE/PvP ships that can get caught. Even if you say "Well I have 4 accounts I can easily Offensive plex now" you are going to still be hunted by the PvPers on the other side.

I think your right some people will be punks and still meta game the **** out of the system and make a profit doing it. Sure you can be a punk and never donate and never do pvp and always run with all your 4 accounts meta gaming the system where you spend hours with 3 accounts getting the contested rating up maybe 20% if you don't get hassled, which you will be. You still getting crap isk with that 1 day old alt at such a low %. I think the way it was before you could do it with a 1 day old alt or be super new to the game and still be able to make tens of billions of isk in a month or if you where unlucky and missed turn in day you had to wait another month. And not everyone was making money off the old system I know many people that have millions of LP and have quite due to missing turn in days. Im hoping they will come back now and help dump systems.

But in the end its way more effort now to meta game the system and much easier to just play it. Only time will tell how things go but from what I have seen so far Im happy. And once we see contested levels drop we will probably see a boost in PvP and offensive Large group plexing.


Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. It will balance out at the end where if a contested level is low, the other side offensive plexes and more pvp happens and I think both sides will be tier 3 and do pretty equal defensive and offensive plexing since that will provide the best environment for pvpers and farmers alike
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