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CCP allow miners to defend against bumpers ?
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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#361 - 2012-10-26 03:30:06 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain.

Miners all = AFK....

/pants - on - head...

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That's all you need to know.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#362 - 2012-10-26 03:31:23 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
If I find out where OP is hiding, I'll bump his ass good.



Sure, come on over. Join the party.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#363 - 2012-10-26 03:33:38 UTC
So how do you do this bumping 23/7? Get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting?
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#364 - 2012-10-26 03:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zkaor
[quote=Muestereate]So how do you do this bumping 23/7?

Your point ?



Edit: Sorry, I've been on the defensive a bit lately. I was wondering if you were suggesting (I hope not) that I adjust the time of day/night that I am on EVE ?
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#365 - 2012-10-26 03:37:27 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
So how do you do this bumping 23/7? Get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting?


Well considering most decent bump ships go too fast to allow the use of the approach function, that would be a rather useless bot.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#366 - 2012-10-26 03:57:04 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Along the lines of what they will call a "LE"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443


3rd para from bottom

That's what I thought the bounty system was going to use.

Which should mean that I could put a bounty on a miner, and my friends could blow the miner up in high sec by accepting the bounty; which would engage a LE flag between them and the miner.

I was assuming you would initiate all this when you actually saw the person in high sec space. Low and null you would just shoot them anyways.


Anywyas, I won't be happy unless miners can put bounties on bumpers to get them blown up in high sec and I can do the same to miners.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#367 - 2012-10-26 04:06:20 UTC
collide-able ships.

/thread

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#368 - 2012-10-26 07:39:31 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
collide-able ships.

/thread



Agreed. Considering that your average mining ship has something like 20x the mass of the bumper, it would be hilarious to watch miners complain about having to pick the debris of those annoying bumpers out of their grill all the time. Freighters even moreso. It would be like trying to ram a supertanker with a canoe. Pretty obvious who would win that encounter.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#369 - 2012-10-26 07:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Along the lines of what they will call a "LE"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443


3rd para from bottom

That's what I thought the bounty system was going to use.

Which should mean that I could put a bounty on a miner, and my friends could blow the miner up in high sec by accepting the bounty; which would engage a LE flag between them and the miner.

I was assuming you would initiate all this when you actually saw the person in high sec space. Low and null you would just shoot them anyways.


Anywyas, I won't be happy unless miners can put bounties on bumpers to get them blown up in high sec and I can do the same to miners.


I was 99.9% sure from when I read it that a bounty doesn't create the ability to attack the target, I think the aim was to use the transferable kill rights in conjunction with it. i.e. an attack on a 'bounty target', without the legal 'ok' will leave you in a pod in high sec. If the bounty setter had kill rights and opened them, you can take them and attack freely.

However, if the bounty is high enough, a suicide gank on a miner would probably pay out if my reading is correct (and the secret calculations for loss are going to allow it).
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#370 - 2012-10-26 07:50:08 UTC
Brego Tralowski wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks


Will someone at CCP please just do all my mining for me so i can sit in station and spin my ship.........erm......etc!


Will someone at CCP just run my account 23.5/7? I got better things to do than play EVE as I'm a disabled war veteran and enjoy fishing on my free time.
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#371 - 2012-10-26 07:54:27 UTC
I haven't read the entire thread or witnessed/tried bumping myself, but I can't help thinking:

Can't you just orbit the asteroid? If you jet can mine, equip a tractor beam and drag the thing behind you..

As I recall, bumping a moving ship is much harder, plus the ship will automatically try to get back into orbit, thus staying in mining laser range.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#372 - 2012-10-26 08:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
collide-able ships.

/thread



Agreed. Considering that your average mining ship has something like 20x the mass of the bumper, it would be hilarious to watch miners complain about having to pick the debris of those annoying bumpers out of their grill all the time. Freighters even moreso. It would be like trying to ram a supertanker with a canoe. Pretty obvious who would win that encounter.


The USS Cole would like to have a word with you, approximately 9000 tonnes of Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer had a hole the size of a car blown in it by a speedboat carrying approx 2-300kg of explosive. If miners and freighter pilots get realistic collision mechanics, then the bumpers and gankers should be able to rig their ships to explode on impact

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#373 - 2012-10-26 08:40:06 UTC
Willy Bryan wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
So how do you do this bumping 23/7? Get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting?


Well considering most decent bump ships go too fast to allow the use of the approach function, that would be a rather useless bot.


Why couldn't you use an approach function on a fast ship? If you need some space just warp into the belt further out. I'm sure they can activate a module, set a short cycle time and they would unlock and go to the next belt instead of just following at slow speed. Yes, I guess you'd have to harvest tears on the forum or the market instead of in the field. I agree useless but people are doing it anyway. Since when did anything have to make sense or be useful :)

Miners need to start ganking these ships to see if pods start flying around. It would be worth the loss just to see people bumping with their pods. Then they could be turned in if they are macroing, another useless activity I'll admit.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#374 - 2012-10-26 08:45:32 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks



It's called orbiting.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#375 - 2012-10-26 08:49:28 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks



It's called orbiting.


Keep spreading that misinformation. Orbiting merely makes it more of a challenge for the bumpers, it does not make you immune to a bump from someone who knows what they're doing.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#376 - 2012-10-26 09:10:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Keep spreading that misinformation. Orbiting merely makes it more of a challenge for the bumpers, it does not make you immune to a bump from someone who knows what they're doing.
Ah, so it's the old miner standby of “defend ≡ immune” — if something does work 100% it is impossible and pointless. Lol
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#377 - 2012-10-26 09:14:17 UTC
Some are under the impression that orbiting makes them completely immune to bumping, just clearing up a misconception P

As far as I'm concerned an orbiting miner is more of a challenge and therefore more fun to try and bump.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#378 - 2012-10-26 09:25:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Some are under the impression that orbiting makes them completely immune to bumping, just clearing up a misconception P

As far as I'm concerned an orbiting miner is more of a challenge and therefore more fun to try and bump.

Fair enough. It just sounded eerily reminiscent of the old “waah, tanking a Hulk is meaningless because it doesn't make it invulnerable” salt-water fountain.

At the same time, it might be worth pointing out that an orbiting miner has given an on-going instruction to his ship, so even after a bump, it'll return back to its intended position on its own accord…

…with a bit of luck, it'll even do so before the cycle ends.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#379 - 2012-10-26 09:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Yeah I should really have clarified that, on a second reading it is indeed very reminiscent of the "waahh" mentality. My bad.

As you say an orbiting barge will eventually make it's way back to the ice and maybe even before the cycle finishes, but if it gets bumped hard and often enough the cycle will prematurely fail when the targeted ice falls outside of range.

It looks like James315 has revived bumping as a saltwater fountain Pirate (excellent simile BTW Tippia, I'm so stealing that)

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#380 - 2012-10-26 12:01:22 UTC
Just bump bumpers. It's easy, it's funny and you can collect delicious raging in local.

You can also ask him 10M to stop bumping, just pick the good tool

brb