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So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-10-26 06:27:09 UTC
Funny to see the null bears running in here proclaiming they have to deal with risk. Lol
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-10-26 06:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Opertone
warp off, cloak - stay cloaked and adrift - can never find even if you wanted to...

repeat every time until gankers learn the lesson - no point messing with a cloaking personality.


edit: I am all for removing local - too easy, too stupid - to the point of game breaking.

It is like playing tactical war game with a gigantic flag pole tied to your back that sticks out 1 km in the sky.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-10-26 06:30:08 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Andski wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Lol it's so impressive that you attack miners in high-sec who have to put up with actual risk, unlike you

such an ebil piwate


yeah if only hisec had CONCORD just like nullsec


Oh no did your 5m catalyst get blown up after you ganked.. I mean piwated a defenseless miner.

I think we may finally be starting to uncover why exactly you're so angry and spiteful.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Azumi Zimu
#64 - 2012-10-26 06:31:45 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I think we may finally be starting to uncover why exactly you're so angry and spiteful.


Because someone's bragging he's -10 when he never risked anything in that endeavor either?

I don't even know why you're in this thread besides to defend a goon, which is pathetic.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-10-26 06:32:34 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I think we may finally be starting to uncover why exactly you're so angry and spiteful.


Because someone's bragging he's -10 when he never risked anything in that endeavor either?

I don't even know why you're in this thread besides to defend a goon, which is pathetic.

I'm defending a Goon? That's news to me. I thought I was defending local.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Azumi Zimu
#66 - 2012-10-26 06:34:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I'm defending a Goon? That's news to me. I thought I was defending local.


Yeah it certainly looks as if that's what you're doing Roll

I'm sure there's a T.V. show coming on that you could concern yourself with. The goon can stick up for himself he's a solid -10
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-10-26 06:41:06 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I'm defending a Goon? That's news to me. I thought I was defending local.


Yeah it certainly looks as if that's what you're doing Roll

I'm not particularly concerned with what you think I'm doing.

Azumi Zimu wrote:
I'm sure there's a T.V. show coming on that you could concern yourself with. The goon can stick up for himself he's a solid -10

Ever since they canceled Stargate Universe I haven't had anything decent to watch.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-10-26 06:57:56 UTC
man i'm sure glad i don't have to face the same level of risk as hisec bot miners

we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, supercapitals and other trivial things, thank goodness we're not getting bumped out of range of an asteroid because that is just awful

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-10-26 07:00:25 UTC
i laugh every time somebody claims that removing local will "reinvigorate" nullsec because clearly every potential target will just sit there waiting for that single bomber to decloak and tackle them while 20 dudes warp in to finish them off

meanwhile a lot of those demanding the removal of local are hypocrites who hide behind the security blanket of hisec, hiding behind broken crimewatch mechanics and demanding more safety

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-10-26 07:02:52 UTC
and then there's those saying "well wormholes lack local so they're so much riskier" despite this being nothing but chestbeating when wormholes have 1/4th the population of nullsec and 1/20th the ships destroyed

i mean even without local in wormholes the residents manage to mitigate much of the risks by scanning for combat probes, something which would not be possible in nullsec since you don't have to probe anomalies down

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-10-26 07:03:02 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Funny to see the null bears running in here proclaiming they have to deal with risk. Lol

It's more like we want to continue to have roams and there still being targets to kill, not have to deal with a game where there are no more targets because everyone has moved their PvE gear to highsec because some forum idiots keep blaming local for their inabiltiy to get kills.

Tell me Marlona, if local in 0.0 is making ganking PvE ships in 0.0 pointless and impossible and killing nullsec, why does nullsec have more marauder losses then all other regions combined despite having only, at best, one-fifth the active players living in it?

http://www.eve-kill.net/?scl_id=33

But yes yes, it's local's fault you can't get ratter kills, right?
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-10-26 07:04:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Andski wrote:
also "carebearing in complete safety" implies that it's uninterrupted


You're claiming you're risking vs. reward is having to dock up.



No, his risk is the possible loss of his ship if he doesn't pay attention to every single person who comes and goes within the system. When you've been ratting for a few hours, this becomes harder than you think. Your attention wanes, etc.
Some ratters are smart enough to know when they need to take a break. Others push themselves, sometimes a little too far, and they don't notice the neutral in system until suddenly there's an Arazu pointing them with a covert cyno lit.



That is easy when TS in most CFC alliances and other 0.0 alliances have bots that make an alarming sound over comms as soon as a none blue enters ratting system, before that neut/red has time to load grid. Then thanks to local and numbers you got intel channels as well. Bottom line, a pve:er that died in 0.0 will only die IF he was not playing afk with ship in a site, anom or a belt.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#73 - 2012-10-26 07:05:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
i laugh every time somebody claims that removing local will "reinvigorate" nullsec because clearly every potential target will just sit there waiting for that single bomber to decloak and tackle them while 20 dudes warp in to finish them off

meanwhile a lot of those demanding the removal of local are hypocrites who hide behind the security blanket of hisec, hiding behind broken crimewatch mechanics and demanding more safety



When I sneak past intel scouts and bubble camps, the only way anybody would know I was in the system was through local.

The only way I would know if I were alone or not is through local.

While you make many arguments in favor of a system defender, I have seen enough threads about local to know that if removed, both sides of the equation gain and lose equally. Nobody is really getting screwed over or given an advantage over another.


Admittedly in such previous threads everybody can agree that the D-Scan needs work if local were to be removed.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-10-26 07:06:01 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
That is easy when TS in most CFC alliances and other 0.0 alliances have bots that make an alarming sound over comms as soon as a none blue enters ratting system, before that neut/red has time to load grid. Then thanks to local and numbers you got intel channels as well. Bottom line, a pve:er that died in 0.0 will only die IF he was not playing afk with ship in a site, anom or a belt.


i love the crap people make up

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-10-26 07:06:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
man i'm sure glad i don't have to face the same level of risk as hisec bot miners

we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, supercapitals and other trivial things, thank goodness we're not getting bumped out of range of an asteroid because that is just awful

Says the impossible to war dec alliance unless you are ultra rich...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-10-26 07:06:44 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
When I sneak past intel scouts and bubble camps, the only way anybody would know I was in the system was through local.

The only way I would know if I were alone or not is through local.

While you make many arguments in favor of a system defender, I have seen enough threads about local to know that if removed, both sides of the equation gain and lose equally. Nobody is really getting screwed over or given an advantage over another.


Admittedly in such previous threads everybody can agree that the D-Scan needs work if local were to be removed.


it's almost as if you can't simply do three things

1) open map
2) click 'npc kills'
3) set destination

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-10-26 07:07:04 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Says the impossible to war dec alliance unless you are ultra rich...


yeah 500m is "ultra rich"

man those dudes with carriers must be ballin'

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#78 - 2012-10-26 07:07:21 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Funny to see the null bears running in here proclaiming they have to deal with risk. Lol

It's more like we want to continue to have roams and there still being targets to kill, not have to deal with a game where there are no more targets because everyone has moved their PvE gear to highsec

You sure that's why there's no targets?

Does blue-blue-blue from north to south along the entire western side have much to do with it?

All the targets are DEAD!

They left. Got killed. Smashed. Rolled. Stomped. Wiped Out. Evicted.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-10-26 07:08:12 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
You sure that's why there's no targets?

Does blue-blue-blue from north to south along the entire western side have much to do with it?

All the targets are DEAD!

They left. Got killed. Smashed. Rolled. Stomped. Wiped Out. Evicted.


"nerf successful alliances!"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-10-26 07:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Gargant
Andski wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
That is easy when TS in most CFC alliances and other 0.0 alliances have bots that make an alarming sound over comms as soon as a none blue enters ratting system, before that neut/red has time to load grid. Then thanks to local and numbers you got intel channels as well. Bottom line, a pve:er that died in 0.0 will only die IF he was not playing afk with ship in a site, anom or a belt.


i love the crap people make up



Make up? Lol

I am sorry but I have sat on teamspeaks of many 0.0 entities including the CFC and if you want to deny the usage of local alarm bots that's fine, but I know better.

[EDIT: I would like to remind everyone that using bots or other modifications of the client is against the EULA and will get your account smashed by the Security Team. Additionally, an alarm bot is a silly idea. - CCP Gargant]