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CCP allow miners to defend against bumpers ?
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Zkaor
HATRON 4
#341 - 2012-10-26 02:26:40 UTC
which is quite possible
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#342 - 2012-10-26 02:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Zkaor wrote:




Bounties do not allow bumpees to respond

quoted from a dev blog "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446



unless i understand it incorrectly.


You undrestand incorrectly.

"attacked legally where" should only mean that I can't put a bounty on you and then be able to legally attack you. The person that places the bounty doesn't get a free pass to attack someone anywhere legally.

I put bounty on you, you're still not legal to me, but you're legal to everyone else.


They chose a vague way to say you can't use it to generate legal kills for yourself.


PS: But maybe I'm wrong. They don't say anywhere that bounties can't be collected anywhere, and they made it so that blowing up the ship counts towards bounties. I'm assuming that they aren't restricting it to low and null or just null; that would be pointless and wouldn't actually make this bounty system anymore useful than the current one.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#343 - 2012-10-26 02:43:19 UTC
Possibly, but we'll see soon enough.

I would figure you for sure would want to allow bumpees being able to fight back. I would assume that alot, like myself, would probably lose their ill fitted ship to more experienced pvp players.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#344 - 2012-10-26 02:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zkaor
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Zkaor wrote:




Bounties do not allow bumpees to respond

quoted from a dev blog "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446



unless i understand it incorrectly.


You undrestand incorrectly.

"attacked legally where" should only mean that I can't put a bounty on you and then be able to legally attack you. The person that places the bounty doesn't get a free pass to attack someone anywhere legally.

I put bounty on you, you're still not legal to me, but you're legal to everyone else.


They chose a vague way to say you can't use it to generate legal kills for yourself.





PS: But maybe I'm wrong. They don't say anywhere that bounties can't be collected anywhere, and they made it so that blowing up the ship counts towards bounties. I'm assuming that they aren't restricting it to low and null or just null; that would be pointless and wouldn't actually make this bounty system anymore useful than the current one.







agreed
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#345 - 2012-10-26 02:48:35 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Possibly, but we'll see soon enough.

I would figure you for sure would want to allow bumpees being able to fight back. I would assume that alot, like myself, would probably lose their ill fitted ship to more experienced pvp players.


I do indeed.

Retribution is all about high sec fighting back, kind of the theme of the entire xpac. If you can't place a bounty on someone in high sec and other people shoot them in high sec to collect the bounty, than it's not really allowing people in high sec to fight back. It's just making an already useless and unused feature, a changed but still useless feature.

People aren't going to fly into null sec to shoot someone for a small portion of a 500m bounty.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#346 - 2012-10-26 02:53:45 UTC
So why not (not tech savy here) let something be set up similar to can flippers ? The agressor, bumper, gets flagged and the bumpee has the choice to do nothing or fight back without being Concorded.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#347 - 2012-10-26 02:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zkaor
Along the lines of what they will call a "LE"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443


3rd para from bottom
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#348 - 2012-10-26 03:05:46 UTC
Ever notice that even for such a large MMORPG, most people assume that they are the only one who matters in the game? I always get a laugh reading the blogs and local after a good bump fleet. "you're breaking my rights as a high-sec miner" stories tend to be my favorite. I remember back when can-flipping really got popular. Mission runners around major hubs used to cry over that. Granted, some things about flipping have been changed and tweeked, but it is still possible, and with the new changes, is going to invite all the pvp we wished we got before. The same thing applies about miners crying about bumping now. The only reason you guys are upset is because you haven't figured out a solution that you're actually willing to do to avoid being bumped. Now I also saw earlier somebody mentioning that AFK mining is their right. I'll agree, it is your right, but it is also MY right to move you away from that ice that you thought you were going to be shooting at for the next hour without checking. Remember the story from a few months back about the guy who was parking gila's in a static plex site's rooms and letting his drones kill npc's all day? He ended up making a killing doing that over a prolonged period of time, but it was considered an exploit due to him not having to have any interation with the game for hours at a time. If he wasn't allowed to make his isk AFK, what gives miners any more right? Bumping is fine as is, it affords the opportunity for individuals like James315 and myself to even the odds and make you, the afk miner, actually play the game for once.

The New Order of Highsec supporter, enforcer, and shareholder.
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#349 - 2012-10-26 03:12:25 UTC
Oh, and since I forgot to address it in my other post, the idea of giving an aggro flag for bumping another player is just excess baggage on the server. Have any of you that are suggesting this ever undocked from a station, fleet-warped anywhere, or had to form a 'ball' for logi support? Obviously not, or you'd know the nightmare this would cause. I.E: I'm running incurions in high sec with an incursion fleet in a HQ. There are 40 people in this fleet of all differect corporations. Each ship is around 4 bil. After heading to a few sites, we've all bumped into each other multiple times, and by your proposal we should all be allowed to shoot at each other by this point. See the issue?

If you really want to know the secrets to anti-bumping, I'll tell you; make an alt and join in on the fun, or pay up and enjoy your bump free mining. It is really that simple.

If neither one of these things are your style, convo me, and I'll teach you the ancient arts passed down from the bittervets themselves for one-time fee of 100mil.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#350 - 2012-10-26 03:13:19 UTC
Willy Bryan wrote:
Ever notice that even for such a large MMORPG, most people assume that they are the only one who matters in the game? I always get a laugh reading the blogs and local after a good bump fleet. "you're breaking my rights as a high-sec miner" stories tend to be my favorite. I remember back when can-flipping really got popular. Mission runners around major hubs used to cry over that. Granted, some things about flipping have been changed and tweeked, but it is still possible, and with the new changes, is going to invite all the pvp we wished we got before. The same thing applies about miners crying about bumping now. The only reason you guys are upset is because you haven't figured out a solution that you're actually willing to do to avoid being bumped. Now I also saw earlier somebody mentioning that AFK mining is their right. I'll agree, it is your right, but it is also MY right to move you away from that ice that you thought you were going to be shooting at for the next hour without checking. Remember the story from a few months back about the guy who was parking gila's in a static plex site's rooms and letting his drones kill npc's all day? He ended up making a killing doing that over a prolonged period of time, but it was considered an exploit due to him not having to have any interation with the game for hours at a time. If he wasn't allowed to make his isk AFK, what gives miners any more right? Bumping is fine as is, it affords the opportunity for individuals like James315 and myself to even the odds and make you, the afk miner, actually play the game for once.

The New Order of Highsec supporter, enforcer, and shareholder.



Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.
Luc Chastot
#351 - 2012-10-26 03:16:25 UTC
With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Zkaor
HATRON 4
#352 - 2012-10-26 03:18:15 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain.



You accuse me of somthing I did not do ... AFK mining.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#353 - 2012-10-26 03:21:27 UTC
Zkaor wrote:


Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.


That makes me wonder why there was never a mechanic put in to place that allowed people to duel in HS.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#354 - 2012-10-26 03:22:48 UTC
Besides, why should I pay someone to do the fighting I WANT to do when someone bumps me?
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#355 - 2012-10-26 03:25:29 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Willy Bryan wrote:
Ever notice that even for such ........ the afk miner, actually play the game for once.

The New Order of Highsec supporter, enforcer, and shareholder.



Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.


There are plenty of ways to fight back, if you haven't figured them out yet, then that's your own fault. It's really easy to protect yourself from bumpers, or to get back at us if you really wanted to.
Lone Hitman
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
#356 - 2012-10-26 03:25:34 UTC
Allow mining barges and capital ships to anchor themselves, with the caveat that the ship and pilot remain in space until it is unanchored. Do not allow capital ships to jump while anchored; this would prevent accidental titan jumps and bumping of titans.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#357 - 2012-10-26 03:26:04 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Zkaor wrote:


Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.


That makes me wonder why there was never a mechanic put in to place that allowed people to duel in HS.



I think you are onto something. A fight club for grudge matches or whatever. Advertise all over and charge others for the location as a spectator.

Probably wouldn't work.
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#358 - 2012-10-26 03:26:30 UTC
Oh, and James, I appoligize for botching your in-game name earlier, was looking at another guy in local when I was typing.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#359 - 2012-10-26 03:26:55 UTC
If I find out where OP is hiding, I'll bump his ass good.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Willy Bryan
Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy
#360 - 2012-10-26 03:27:26 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Zkaor wrote:


Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.


That makes me wonder why there was never a mechanic put in to place that allowed people to duel in HS.



I think you are onto something. A fight club for grudge matches or whatever. Advertise all over and charge others for the location as a spectator.

Probably wouldn't work.


This is supposed to be coming; it's part of the new canflipping changes.