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will a t1 fit BC be enough for rating BS in 0.0
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-26 01:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
I'm about a month off from a t2 fit BC. I need to make some isk. If the t1 fit BC will do then I can be rating BS's tomorrow. Otherwise I'll just buy a PLEX and keep pounding out core skills for frig-centric pvp.

Thank you
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-10-26 02:50:36 UTC
You'll have to be more specific than that.
-What race?
-What weapons?

A tier 3 BC could do it. Like an Oracle for Sansha. But anything less than meta 4 mods wouldn't work so well.
T2 fit may not be necessary, but it'll make things easier.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-26 02:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Gallente BC against serprentis rats
Edit: I am however, just looking for a generalization & not really asking for specific fits
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-26 03:21:58 UTC
Belt ratting or anoms?
It's certainly plenty for belt rats.
Don't know muck about anoms but i'd assume you could do at least some of them.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-10-26 03:25:14 UTC
Chaining belts in 0.0
Lenny Snipes
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-10-26 03:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenny Snipes
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Chaining belts in 0.0


You shouldn't have any troubles, might even be doable in a ganky Rax. Take caution with the drone boats, they work well enough but drones are a pain deploying/recovering when the other kids want to take your stuff.

In time, consider training stealth bombers, they give you the ability to rep up sec stat and bounty iskies while avoiding others who don't play nice.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-10-26 04:30:09 UTC
Stealth bombers would be a good start, but if you also want to be able to handle the frig escorts, the Brutix may even be enough too.
Dracan02
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#8 - 2012-10-26 04:55:36 UTC
a shield fit gank talos or myrm can handle belt rats fairly well, anoms and sigs will be pushing it tho with a t1 fit.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-26 05:13:18 UTC
T1 or meta brutix is what I had in mind. Thanks fellas.
Although, I certainly don't mind a light crosstrain. What other racial BC's might be good against belt serprentis BS's?
Lenny Snipes
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-10-26 05:30:52 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
T1 or meta brutix is what I had in mind. Thanks fellas.
Although, I certainly don't mind a light crosstrain. What other racial BC's might be good against belt serprentis BS's?


Any ship that has high native resist to the rat type your farming will suit you well. This allows a reasonable tank and the ability to put more into gank. Unless your little chunk of space is quiet, I would also stress the ability to bug out quickly, nothing ruins the ratting experience as much as being podded.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-10-26 05:42:30 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
(...) What other racial BC's might be good against belt serprentis BS's?


This little puppy is proven to be very effective.

[Naga, Derpentis]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


That guy pumps out just under 1,000 DPS and can passively tank the belt rats all day long. Perhaps, on a bad day, you will have to warp out for maybe a minute, sometimes. Modal Mega Neutrons Particle Accelerator I will do just fine, too. It's an ISK blueprint original.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-10-26 05:44:54 UTC
rat bs below 1 mil bounties you should be able to handle.

Not t2 fit (or assuming the skills to run them and therefore missing and damage, rof, etc boosts) 1.1's to 1.3 mil will be hard. triple 1.8 mil spawns....real iffy,

This based on my early day ratting in a low skill drake. Drake in blood rat land so no kinetic bonus so about as flat as damage can get imo.

the 1.8's will slow and painful most likely. have a good tank for em as you probably will not be making them wrecks in record time.


X-train for serps (or gurista) would be...drake/tengu for kinetic boost. I would not go out my way to x-train this though unless you know your home will be home for a good while. My combat char was caldari and tbh...90% of my ratting has been everywhere else but in serp space. Was in a corp that lived there a short time then we move forward to blood rats yet again. The TL;DR....0.0 can have you move about for better (take space) or worse (you are evac'ing), don't x-train for a rat till you got other stuff lined up which you seem to need more atm imo..
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-26 06:07:30 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
don't x-train for a rat till you got other stuff lined up which you seem to need more atm imo..


Thats kinda what I was thinking after this lil chat. Ima go ahead with a meta brutix for now and continue on my current training plan.

Thanks for all the advice and the nifty fits fellas
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-10-26 06:46:40 UTC
One thing to keep in mind- the bigger your ship, the more tank you need. Small ships sig/speed tank most of the damage, meaning that you can get away with lesser tanking modules.

I was ratting in null yesterday in an Incursus (Guristas rats), and only issue I ran into was breaking a Dread Guristas battleship tank- so I got a Catalyst to deal with that.

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-26 08:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Against Angels the Hurricane is working perfectly well in T1 fitting for 0.0 belt rating.
I use it with autocannons+missiles+drones (now T2 but it was already more than enough with T1) and the BS just melt.
For plexing that's another story...
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-10-26 11:24:28 UTC
Personally i really like something like this but a Talos will probably be better, its a matter of personal preference.
The 650mm arties are getting reduced PG needs in patch so you can remove the PDS for another damage upgrade then.

[Myrmidon, Noob belts]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Power Diagnostic System II
Gyrostabilizer II
NEW Drone Damage Amplifier II
NEW Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Drone Navigation Computer I

650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x5
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#17 - 2012-10-26 12:45:42 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
T1 or meta brutix is what I had in mind. Thanks fellas.
Although, I certainly don't mind a light crosstrain. What other racial BC's might be good against belt serprentis BS's?


I second the bomber suggestion. Go with a nemesis. For mids... Afterburner, tp, medium shield extender, 4th is your choice. Lows are fitting mods and if possible a ballistic control. Rigs, thermal shield resist and,maybe kinetic against aero or else poly carb or loading bay accelerator.

Highs... 3 Torp launchers, cloak, and an autocannon. The ac will help against any frigate rat that tries to scram you.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-10-26 14:04:41 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
T1 or meta brutix is what I had in mind. Thanks fellas.
Although, I certainly don't mind a light crosstrain. What other racial BC's might be good against belt serprentis BS's?


I second the bomber suggestion. Go with a nemesis. For mids... Afterburner, tp, medium shield extender, 4th is your choice. Lows are fitting mods and if possible a ballistic control. Rigs, thermal shield resist and,maybe kinetic against aero or else poly carb or loading bay accelerator.

Highs... 3 Torp launchers, cloak, and an autocannon. The ac will help against any frigate rat that tries to scram you.


QFT. If you can, make it a Tech II autocannon so you can load Barrage for range. Also, if you're in a moderately spendy mood and don't mind the risk, the extra speed you can get from a Zor's Navigation Hyperlink implant will boost your transversals nicely.

(My PVE Nemesis fit went with an SSE and a small shield booster, along with the AB and TP. Went with nanos/overdrives in the lows for speed purposes. My target speed was 1,000 m/s.)

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Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#19 - 2012-10-28 04:34:29 UTC
Fly the Naga listed earlier for surpentis rats. It is the ratting ship of choice in fountain atm, making more Isk/h then a bling tengu.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-10-29 00:52:43 UTC
Roime wrote:
One thing to keep in mind- the bigger your ship, the more tank you need. Small ships sig/speed tank most of the damage, meaning that you can get away with lesser tanking modules.

I was ratting in null yesterday in an Incursus (Guristas rats), and only issue I ran into was breaking a Dread Guristas battleship tank- so I got a Catalyst to deal with that.



Would you mind sharing those fits?
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