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Changes to module tooltips

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CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-10-25 14:58:34 UTC
Greetings and salutations from Team Pony Express!

I wanted to go through the changes Team Pony Express has completed and are slated to be released with Retribution and are available on Duality right now! I believe we have made good progress towards making them more user friendly and informative!


  • Tooltips are now available on many more active modules than before!
  • Tooltip delay has been reduced slightly.


Furthermore we are hoping to get the following changes into Retribution as well, time permitting.


  • Tooltips won't appear if you click on a module.
  • Tooltips can be disabled in the HUD option (through the context menu).


All in all, the tooltips are a great addition to EVE by exposing information in an easy to understand manner. The changes to the functionality, the additional active modules it's available on and the planned future iterations should make this an even more awesome tool to have!

Please use this time to test them out on Duality, we would greatly appreciate any feedback you might have on their functionality and the information provided.

On behalf of Team Pony Express
CCP Fear
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-25 15:02:56 UTC
if we have the ability to disable them, can we have a reduced delay untill they show up ? .2 or .3 seconds ?
Noriko Mai
#3 - 2012-10-25 15:06:54 UTC
There is one odd thing:
If a module reloads and you hover over it, the tooltip appears, showing the module name. If you keep the mouse over the module with the tooltip "open" and the module ends reloading, the tooltip expands down, overlaying other modules.
It's not a huge issue, but still looks odd.

Nevertheless. Good job on making the UI nicer!

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2012-10-25 15:51:16 UTC
will the tooltip show the current resistance config of the reactive armor hardener?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-25 22:12:31 UTC
Please consider making this a three-state choice:

- Never show tooltips
- Show delayed tooltips
- Show tooltips instantly.

I know that many people don't really like the tooltips, but I know of a few (myself included) who enjoy them. I would like to have this kind of information at a glance, and having to hold my mouse over the button for a second slows me down.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2012-10-26 00:09:04 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
will the tooltip show the current resistance config of the reactive armor hardener?
I don't think we have added it yet, but there is a post-it on it on my desk... and hopefully I'll have the time to add it.

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CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-10-26 09:54:30 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
There is one odd thing:
If a module reloads and you hover over it, the tooltip appears, showing the module name. If you keep the mouse over the module with the tooltip "open" and the module ends reloading, the tooltip expands down, overlaying other modules.
It's not a huge issue, but still looks odd.

Nevertheless. Good job on making the UI nicer!


sounds odd, I'll have a look and see what can be done.
Rengerel en Distel
#8 - 2012-10-26 13:01:36 UTC
Would it be possible to have a right click option to show tooltip if you have them off? Since you have to hover over the modules to get the in range indicators in the HUD, having the tooltip pop up over the top makes it useless. (You could always put the tooltip in its own window, and let us move that window where we want)

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#9 - 2012-10-26 14:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
CCP Fear wrote:
Greetings and salutations from Team Pony Express!

So where's twilight sparke ?
Did she also participate in making of this new UI for tooltips ?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#10 - 2012-10-26 14:56:15 UTC
Spc One wrote:
CCP Fear wrote:
Greetings and salutations from Team Pony Express!

So where's twilight sparke ?
Did she also participate in making of this new UI for tooltips ?

Damage notifications are an improvement. Would look better as numbers over the module doing damage and under the ship taking damage.
Definetly needs to be able to be relocated.

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bassie12bf1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-10-26 21:47:00 UTC
What about adding activation timers like on the micro jump drive to the tool tips?
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#12 - 2012-10-26 23:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Panhead4411
Can we please have the near-instant or instant one back? The biggest issue with when you changed it was the fact it was insanely large. Or atleast the ability to change the timing ourselves? (to 0 if we want?) Also, you could still do with a little less empty space all around.

Not a huge fan of the exra 3 lines used for "damage caused" And not entirely sure what it means. I know it has to do with overheating...but not sure the usefulness.

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#13 - 2012-10-27 11:44:42 UTC
Copy over from duality open period thread:

Salpun:

Explosive plating does not show the resistances like the hardners do.
Will you be showing the cap recharge rate also in the tool tip.

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Alexila Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#14 - 2012-10-28 01:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexila Quant
Gilbaron wrote:
if we have the ability to disable them, can we have a reduced delay untill they show up ? .2 or .3 seconds ?



Seconded, allow us to set the delay in options much the same way we can change snap distance for windows.

Personally I would do away with the delay all together. I don't want to wait to see my opt or falloff in a combat situation (assuming I don't have it memorized already for that ship)
CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2012-10-29 10:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fear
Salpun wrote:
Copy over from duality open period thread:

Salpun:

Explosive plating does not show the resistances like the hardners do.
Will you be showing the cap recharge rate also in the tool tip.


Edited for clarity:

Currently only Active modules will show more information than the basic information of the name of the module.
CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2012-10-29 10:58:27 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
Can we please have the near-instant or instant one back? The biggest issue with when you changed it was the fact it was insanely large. Or atleast the ability to change the timing ourselves? (to 0 if we want?) Also, you could still do with a little less empty space all around.

Not a huge fan of the exra 3 lines used for "damage caused" And not entirely sure what it means. I know it has to do with overheating...but not sure the usefulness.


I don't think we will be able to do more to the timer in this release as we need to spend the remaining time on adding information to the modules and final polish to the functionality. Perhaps in subsequent releases.

The damage caused, do you have a screenshot for this? The specific module and the conditions would at least help me replicate it.
LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#17 - 2012-11-10 23:45:20 UTC
Can tracking be added to the turret tooltips?
Can Capacitor Energy use be added to the Microwarp and AB tooltips? The Microwarp tooltip doesn't need to have the non-activated speed as it is already in the trottle.

Actually Capacitor Energy use is a useful item on a lot of the tool tips.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#18 - 2012-11-11 04:59:20 UTC
maybe you could also show the speed when overheated for the propulsion mods

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#19 - 2012-11-11 11:34:32 UTC
Could it be possible to still display the tooltip of an active module with an option ?

I know I'm silly, but there is a lot of modules were I find useful to check their stats while they are running : optimal range juste after switching hybrid ammo, range of my overloaded meta 2 scrambler because it was the only one that fit...

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2012-11-11 12:12:42 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Could it be possible to still display the tooltip of an active module with an option ?

I know I'm silly, but there is a lot of modules were I find useful to check their stats while they are running : optimal range juste after switching hybrid ammo, range of my overloaded meta 2 scrambler because it was the only one that fit...
yes, it's a bug that they don't appear on the modules you have active Smile

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