EVE General Discussion

Supercaps have been accumulating in the game many times faster than they've been dying. In 2011 we were producing 137 supercarriers and 31 titans per month, with 3,385 SCs and 846 titans ingame. In that same time 269 SCs and 86 titans died. This means we were producing them 4 to 6 times faster than they're dying.

It became so bad that we were seeing entire fleets composed of super caps without support fleets. The 50 man Raiden titan blapping fleets (a blap titan is an sensor boosted, drug drinking, tracking fit subcap killer) which would massacre hundreds of subcaps in minutes. And it was glorious. But CCP didn't want supercaps to be so effective, so they nerfed them across the board.

Supercarriers were limited to fighters + fighter-bombers (F+FBs) only, titans sensor resolution was slashed, titans can only lock 3 targets instead of 8, EHP was reduced all round, no doomsday in lowsec, or against subcaps, FBs had their sig radius massively inflated, 15 min renewable logout aggression pvp timers, etc

The list goes on, and it didn't happen all at once. But the pattern is very apparent that CCP has chosen to nerf supercaps in the hopes that it will lead to more deaths.



BUT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO APPROACH THE PROBLEM.

Instead super cap pilots are never committing to fights because the changes have taught pilots to be extra cautious and timid. We should instead be encouraging super pilots to be BOLD and RECKLESS.

Bold and reckless = fun = DEATH (good)
Cautious and timid = not fun = BLUE BALLS (bad)

So how do we encourage super cap pilots to be bold and reckless? We make it worth their while to commit to combat. Super capitals are designed to be anti-capital, so enable them in this role (currently supers are used in structure grinds almost exclusively). 95% of all super vs super fights that are about to start end because one side can't hold tackle on the other. Why? Because smartbombs kill dictor bubbles in 3-4 blasts, and HICs are ultra expensive and easy to kill with minor support. It's currently not feasible to catch an enemy super cap fleet.

Super caps need the ability to catch and hold each other. More to the point, they should be able to super-point each other. It doesn't matter how this is accomplished, but if they had this ability then fleets would drop supers on each other instead of countless anti-climatic subcap skirmishes with dictors.

You want supercaps to die, we want supercaps to die. So enable us to catch and kill them. Stop encouraging super pilots to be timid and cautious. Make them bold and reckless. Accomplish this and they will die.

Super super cap?

How do we teach 0.0 super cap pilots to enjoy risk?

I don't know, some carebears are risk-adverse and there's no changing that.

I saw what you did there...

(although, I just checked, couldn't find any CSAA's in highsec. Where you looking?)

Jita spammers are "Too damn high" Deal with it Super buttercup

We need BIGGER titans and Supercarriers so we can go kill off all the regular titans and supercarriers. Then when eve gets too many bigger supers...we build even bigger ones to kill those off.

You dont have to MAKE them take on more risk, you only need to make HAVING a super cap come with more intrinsic risk.

I think first of all they should be like 10x more expensive in mats and about 2.5x longer to build.

Then, they should ALWAYS be present in space. There should be none of this "logging off and the ship goes poof" nonsense. You can dock them to a POS with defenses, but they should always be targetable and attackable.

Then, they should have insane upkeep costs in the form of crew and consumables.

As well, they should take very minimal but constant damage to hull and modules requiring dock time to fix.

It will work, but please, feel free to flame away...

I think OP is saying that making it even harder to keep a 60b+ asset "safeish" is like, causing the problem.

Pilots have become timid because logoffski is not able to be done like it used to.

(although, anyone see the clip from 1V the other day - seemed a fairly comprehensive cap commitment to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B9WgkavGgGA
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blops pilot perchance?

Eve's Razor: The simplest solution to any given problem is where any given profession is given as the solution to the given problem.

Having supers be the answer to supers means that there will be no reason to use anything other than supers, in turn making them more numerous. It'll be all about the supers.

Just remove the “no remote support” limitation for WDFGs and/or give supers thermal exhaust ports that can be shot with frigate-only proton torpedo launchers…

If people then pour more and more minerals into supers and never actually put them in the field, then we have a nice double benefit.