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Brand new, want to break into Trading/Manufacturing

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Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-25 08:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
One important point to remember with Eve, is that Eve is a PvP game. Now the mistake people make is they automatically think that PvP is just combat. But it is not.

You can fight some equally vicious amd nasty battles on the trading markets, or even just at the asteroid belts as you try to suck up rocks faster then that other guy.

But that is what makes Eve. The trade game is not everybodies cup of tea, it takes a lot of hard work and persistance to do well but it equally as satisfying as any of the "pewpew" PvP. Just remember, that scamming, driving hard bargains and trying to off-load a load of crap at high prices are all part of the game, there are no nice cushions to help soften the fall, when it comes, as it comes to us all on occasion.

If I remember right, because the trade side of the game is so deep and complex, I have a memory that there is at least one RL university has made a deal with CCP that lets them use the Eve markets as a teaching tool.

A lot of our 'friends' who like to sit camping low sec gates often don't understand that what they do is nothing more then mugging folks for peanuts. The real PvP happens on the markets and trade floors. There people make, and loose billions!
By the way, that's not a dig at player pirates, just highlighting that what they make is nothing to a good well executed trade deal/scam.

Getting to grips with the trade/manufacturing side of the game will take you time and effort, but it's also one of the most rewarding and fun sides of the game
Mizuchi Kaliya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-10-25 17:11:15 UTC
Well I'm already starting to get at least a basic handle on things. I took my 300k to one of the quieter trade hubs and have already turned it into 1.7mil in the last day or so. Not much, but that's still a nice gain considering the small amount I had to work with.

I'm just station trading for now. I started looking at cross region trading, but it seems like it would be pretty hard to break into without having a larger amount of ISK to work with.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2012-10-25 21:44:44 UTC
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-10-25 21:51:46 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
One important point to remember with Eve, is that Eve is a PvP game. Now the mistake people make is they automatically think that PvP is just combat. But it is not.

You can fight some equally vicious amd nasty battles on the trading markets, or even just at the asteroid belts as you try to suck up rocks faster then that other guy.

But that is what makes Eve. The trade game is not everybodies cup of tea, it takes a lot of hard work and persistance to do well but it equally as satisfying as any of the "pewpew" PvP. Just remember, that scamming, driving hard bargains and trying to off-load a load of crap at high prices are all part of the game, there are no nice cushions to help soften the fall, when it comes, as it comes to us all on occasion.

If I remember right, because the trade side of the game is so deep and complex, I have a memory that there is at least one RL university has made a deal with CCP that lets them use the Eve markets as a teaching tool.

A lot of our 'friends' who like to sit camping low sec gates often don't understand that what they do is nothing more then mugging folks for peanuts. The real PvP happens on the markets and trade floors. There people make, and loose billions!
By the way, that's not a dig at player pirates, just highlighting that what they make is nothing to a good well executed trade deal/scam.

Getting to grips with the trade/manufacturing side of the game will take you time and effort, but it's also one of the most rewarding and fun sides of the game


Not to mention that CCP actually has a guy on the payroll that studied Economics and just works for them to monitor the game market.

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Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
#25 - 2012-10-28 01:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cajun Style
Hey so I've made a fair bit of isk trading handling both my own isk and the is of my buddies. Let me just say that as someone who loves trading a bunch, you should learn other areas of the game to get better insight into how the economy works, what content is run where, what content produces what goods, and what ships are popular and why in pvp, and how the production of those the pvp ships that are exploding ties in with resources that peopple fit over and the aforementioned content. moreover, getting more active in various types of corps and seeing different parts of the game will give you great opportunities to have fun and to make up your initial capital. i think the investment in better pve ships early on will lead to better isk/hr than if you invest in the markets as someone with little isk or knowledge of the game's economy. or, if you want to head towards mining, then mine up your initial isk, the economy is ****** these days in part because there aren't enough miners. there are other problems though, as well.

anyway, that's my 0.02 isk on what you should be doing in general (aka not trading until you know how things work and you have a little mroe cash), good luck to you whatever you do, and kudos if you can make it as a trader in eve with little knowledge of other parts of the game or any initial capital to work with, it's what i wanted to do initially, and feel free to drop me an in-game mail. also, beware suicide ganking, extremely unstable markets directly before or after patches until you know enough about eve to understand what is happening and to see it coming, or signs of impending inflation/deflation, remember that PLEX are like US treasury bonds in that when they cease to be a good long-term investment then it is the end-times, that you can never underbid those people who just do 1isk undercuts at rapid speeds because they are market bots and they make jita station traders/baby jesus cry, you stand to lose more isk more quickly and in less dignified ways than absolutely anyone else anywhere in the game other than 0.0 corp admins, and... uhhh... yeah i'll quit it with the advice now.
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