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Zydrine. Why?
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WuMaTih
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-25 15:30:24 UTC
Why is it been so low for so long? Is ccp planning to do anything about it? Its almost better to mine in highsec now than null.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#2 - 2012-10-25 15:48:47 UTC
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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-10-25 18:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Plenty of profit in Isogen, my man... Zyd is for little ol' ladies and their pension funds.

Sort of like of some other materials in this game that, despite alleged rarity and therefore an equally alleged value, aren't really used all that much (relatively speaking).

Or some "evil cabal" could force the price up... crazy game we have here, ain't it ? Blink

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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#4 - 2012-10-25 20:37:09 UTC
It is absolutely better to mine in high sec right now. All of the low end mins have sky rocketed in price, but they high end mins haven't really changed.
Dave Stark
#5 - 2012-10-26 10:54:38 UTC
WuMaTih wrote:
Why is it been so low for so long? Is ccp planning to do anything about it? Its almost better to mine in highsec now than null.


no, it's still 1.6m per jet can more lucrative to cherry pick in null than it is to cherry pick in empire.

considering a solo miner can fill a jetcan in under 20 mins, that's nearly 5mil per hour difference, which is a lot when you consider that's about an extra jetcan per hour. that's an extra 30 odd percent increase over empire.

tell me another way to make 30% more cash just by moving your ship to a new location. (also, throw in some fleet bonuses and you're pulling in even more)
Takezo Wifebeater
Session9 Marketing
#6 - 2012-10-26 14:54:44 UTC
If you look at the market history of zydrine, you'll notice there was a speculative buble about the time they removed the drone poo from the east regions.
I'm surprised though that there has been no longer term rise in the value, considering the reduction in supply, unless of course nullsec mining took up the slack.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#7 - 2012-10-26 16:33:13 UTC
Takezo Wifebeater wrote:
nullsec mining took up the slack.

Confirmed :)

Prices will eventually adjust as 0.0 miners continue to switch to Ark->Hedg->Hemo->Kernite->Jaspet instead of Ark->Bist->Crok... right now, Bistot and Crokite are worth less than everything except veldspar and the "bad" ores (omber,gneiss, ochre, spod).
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#8 - 2012-10-26 17:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Takezo Wifebeater wrote:
nullsec mining took up the slack.


They did. Numbers tweeted by CCP diagoras confirmed this in the wake of the removal of the drone regions. High ends should not rise significantly without sweeping changes to mining in general. Until then, nullsec grav site farmers will always be able to supply the high ends necessary to consume any given amount of low ends, and then some. In other words, low ends are the bottleneck.

If anything I'd attribute the recent rise to strife in the south disrupting a lot of miners.

CataCourier wrote:
Takezo Wifebeater wrote:
nullsec mining took up the slack.

Confirmed :)

Prices will eventually adjust as 0.0 miners continue to switch to Ark->Hedg->Hemo->Kernite->Jaspet instead of Ark->Bist->Crok... right now, Bistot and Crokite are worth less than everything except veldspar and the "bad" ores (omber,gneiss, ochre, spod).

Not necessarily. If a miner or mining group's standard MO is to simply wipe out an entire grav site, they'll keep doing that and just be happy that the low ends are more valuable to help offset the drop on the high ends.

On the other hand, if they want to cherrypick, taking the AHH(+JK) presents other problems. You've got to mine a certain amount to keep your industry index up, and there is far more ABC by volume than AHH+JK. In a large grav site, for example, the total volume of the ABC is 4.08 million m3. The sum total of the AHH is a mere 1.52 million m3; add the Jaspet & Kernite and you're still only at 3.68 million m3. In other words, if your strategy to maintain the industry level of a system (or systems) relied on the volumes generated by mining the ABC, you're going to have issues trying to do the same thing with AHH(+JK).

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CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#9 - 2012-10-26 19:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CataCourier
corestwo wrote:

CataCourier wrote:
Takezo Wifebeater wrote:
nullsec mining took up the slack.

Confirmed :)

Prices will eventually adjust as 0.0 miners continue to switch to Ark->Hedg->Hemo->Kernite->Jaspet instead of Ark->Bist->Crok... right now, Bistot and Crokite are worth less than everything except veldspar and the "bad" ores (omber,gneiss, ochre, spod).

Not necessarily. If a miner or mining group's standard MO is to simply wipe out an entire grav site, they'll keep doing that and just be happy that the low ends are more valuable to help offset the drop on the high ends.

On the other hand, if they want to cherrypick, taking the AHH(+JK) presents other problems. You've got to mine a certain amount to keep your industry index up, and there is far more ABC by volume than AHH+JK. In a large grav site, for example, the total volume of the ABC is 4.08 million m3. The sum total of the AHH is a mere 1.52 million m3; add the Jaspet & Kernite and you're still only at 3.68 million m3. In other words, if your strategy to maintain the industry level of a system (or systems) relied on the volumes generated by mining the ABC, you're going to have issues trying to do the same thing with AHH(+JK).


Agreed- cycling a large is going to happen regardless. But instead of cherry picking the other belts for ABC, they can more quickly cherry pick (based on volume) for AHH(+JK) and then get back to the large to continue cycling. I don't think the system maintenance is an issue 99% of the time- output of m3 isn't changing, just the composition of the m3 would. I suppose an argument could be made for having to move/popping rocks/etc, but it shouldn't be that big of a difference.

I haven't actually calculated this, but as far as I know, you can't maintain a level 3/4 system by solely cherry picking ABC by volume. If you can, it would be at level 3 and would be very, very close to dropping to 2.
GreenSeed
#10 - 2012-10-26 21:04:52 UTC
hig sec minerals are too expensive, thats the problem. not the otherway around.

a way to fix it? increase the asteroid volume in hisec and let the animals wipe themselves out.
Biggesmall
GRINDHARD INDUSTRIES
#11 - 2012-10-27 06:09:41 UTC
Big smile There a guy in Gonan VI moon 12 name Taki paying out 30 isk on ore like vald and others. I don't know why lol but he started a mad rush of miner waiting to see what his next order is. Ailready I made 5 mill doing about 3 to 4 runs sometime he will drop it do down to 20 isk, but that stlll good isk. On the market there it only 5.70 or 6.00 isk. This guy is gavBig smileing isk away lol like work to hire . Peace to all
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-10-27 10:11:52 UTC
Seem to remember the issue of "Low Ends" being bantied around last year and folks asking CCP for some kind of "super-roid" with more low ends in it... whatever became of that ? My gin-soaked grey matter seems to connect that idea with Low Sec for some reason...

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Javajunky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-28 20:05:53 UTC
No one mines in a asteroid belt. You sit in a grav site or you sit on dark glitter. That's the way of Null Sec Life. Barring another change in material requirements, the Zydrine price will should be fairly stable.

Remember - The percentage of zyd found in the the large's were doubled in last winter's expansion to compensate for the drone poo nerf.

NET NET dont expect much change. It's the new normal.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#14 - 2012-10-29 00:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
You know one thing I feel many don't consider, ok nerf hi sec and now null controls minerals...and you just complained that Hi end minerals prices stink well what makes you think null will not flood market either as greed bags now flood market to get new jump in price, then as hi sec mines for trit and pyr they will profit too from price increase this just causes everything to rise in price, I can see 100 mil isk drakes and continued run away prices I am a hi sec miner and indy, go for it raise the prices on yourselves.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#15 - 2012-10-29 01:41:04 UTC
can you try that again in english

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-11-05 13:01:26 UTC
Nice, healthy push in price... but will it last ? Stay tuned...


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Evil Alfie
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-05 15:41:29 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Nice, healthy push in price... but will it last ? Stay tuned...




not likely, when some of the cfc alliances (looking at you Gents) have corps consisting of just one player and his 12-16 mining accounts out in nullsec :D
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#18 - 2012-11-05 15:59:34 UTC
If I had to guess I'd say the rise in prices on high ends is due to the extended strife in the south. -A-'s renter fields are burning, SOLAR's renters are either burning or are deployed to war with SOLAR or both, etc.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#19 - 2012-11-06 01:27:22 UTC
An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.

As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#20 - 2012-11-06 03:18:52 UTC
Skydell wrote:
An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.

As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand.


this is literally the only intelligent thing I have seen you post, ever.

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