Warfare & Tactics

(Hmm why doesn't the Eve Online spell checker know the word Minmatar?)

Joined FW a couple of weeks ago, pulled out my Cred Card and renewed an old alt, always wanted to try FW and it seemed a good time. People in my main chars Corp were all buzz talking about it, so it thought i would give a go. There were people who pointed me to sites and I duly joined the plex brigade (I mean TLF). A few skills trained and off I fly in my shiny Incursus, plated and repped and cap stable and no guns or tackle.

In my first four days I completed 4 complexs and lost 4 Incursus (plural of Incursus???). Well that was the pulling point, the plexing, I threw the towel in on that. It seems that the rest of eve hates plex "whoring", even to the point of rushing through patches to change it. Although the player base made their contribution with large corps joining Amarr and killing plex "whores". That made it very difficult for a newish player to make big LP. BUT you know what, I still wanted to do FW anyway, I gave up on easy Isk and got my head down, I threw the Incursus idea in the bin along with the warp stabbed Merlin, got a trusty rusty Rifter and went level one missioning. Very poor money, very poor LP, long mission travel times and harrassment from low sec pirates and Amarrians and Caldari, but I enjoyed it oddly enough. A level one FW mission has almost as much danger and excitement as a level 4 hi-sec mission, laughs and giggles and a bit of fear and adrenaline. Soon enough promotion ensued - a spear lieutenant, cool and level 2's, next stop a Thrasher and onward.

Ok everything rosy, then last night a rumour mill began, nerf patch, all hell broke out. A pychotic rush of "plex whores" (your term not mine) decide for one more glory push to tier 5. I asked nicely a few times (got told to eff off) and asked a few more times and got lucky a friendly player took me on some level 4's to boost my LP so I could buy the one item I really wanted, to keep not sell. So I did get to do a bit of LP whoring after all, got up to a whole 100k of LP and with bonus price reduction got some nice items, which I didn't sell. Stuff I really wanted to own.

Now looking at the FW scene from a distance, I see that because of the need for faction ID tags to get most stuff, there isn't a lot more to spend LP on in the TLF shop apart from ammo and implants. See how the situation came about.

I have some great Ideas about FW now.

Remove all BP's from the TLF shop and have all combat oriented items available for sale without the need for tags.
Make the Items for sale in the TLF shop, different in someway so they CANNOT be sold.
Ie stamp the items with a Faction Warfare Fleet Issue (nonsellable status)
Because you remove BP's the original Fleet Issue stuff can be player made and sold for isk outside FW.
So suddenly all the LP and ISk can be spent on Fleet Issue stuff and not be sold for profit.
Which leads us to......(drum roll)
Role Playing PvP based Faction Warfare.
Everyone is therefore massively encouraged to fly the Fleet Issue ships and modules of their faction.
Instead of being about plexing and missioning as a source of Income, try to make a bonus for pvp kills as a means to increase standing and influence, slowly edge the FW game towards PvP. Like erm ...... A WAR.
Make it so there is predominently encouragement to actually fight, rewards go to ships and modules to use exclusively in fighting, with a bit of isk as well i guess, to keep the tax man happy.

Its seems similar to how the big corps work, there is not too much emphasis on individual personal wealth, just an industrial base for making ships and modules, to use exclusivley for fighting. To encourage a more Faction based actions for the Faction to be successful and rewarded that way, and less about personal gain.
Lets face all we do with Isk is buy ships and modules anyway, they are so shiny we never have the courage to use them in PvP, which makes the wealth based economy self defeating. Make eve cheaper to use great ships and blow them up having fun doing so.

No thanks. I'll choose what I fly , what I fit and what I sell.



Maybe sell them to high sec missioners and buy some ships you'll actually use?

Thanks for the replies.
I just wanted to make FW less about ISK farming and more about, erm ...... Faction Warfare
Making the ships and modules easier to get and less likely to be sold for profit might mean they actually get used in combat.
Ah well. Shot down in flames on that one.

Funny thing is...... you all whined about plex whoring and got it nerfed, but everyone of you did it, and i see no inclination even now for FW not to be about the ISK.

Anyway, personally I would like to see the dog tags requirement dropped and people using the FW ships and guns etc to enjoy FW, role playing only in the sense you are not allowed to fly Amarr ship when in the Minmatar faction, a bonus for loyalty.

Seems it is just about doing missions and plexes with added pvp as an annoyance to making ISK. I would prefer that missions and plexes were about getting equipped and re equipped for combat. Perhaps some financial reward for successful actions that increase the faction and its campaign.

Your proposals smack of someone who doesn't actually partake in the war. Maybe it's about isk to you, but plenty of us enjoy the combat. Your idea of forcing people into their factions ships is tactically awful, not to mention horrible in gameplay terms. That's not a reward it is a punishment.

The worry for me with regards to ISK is that people on the outside are failing to differentiate between the afk farming alts and active warzone participants, just as you do. I agree that the farming is stupid (and no - not all of us do it, in fact it psses plenty of us off) but so would be removing or enforcing rules on FW income in general. PVP requires an income to support it. Try it sometime, you might like it. It's also important that the income is of a level where you can leeroy a ship into battle and not be committed to a days worth of PVE activity to replace it, thereby taking you out of the fight for longer than you were in it.


Sounds a lot like plexing to me... Regardless, there are plenty of us that joined FW for PVP and for whom missions are simply a way to get shipped and equipped for fights. The fact that you joined up to bear for ISK is not relevant to how we conduct our combat.

Buses are used to drive people around....

Most coaches I know drive people mad! but that is their job after all

You had a wonderful first idea! (No BPs, no tags needed)

Then it careened into a cesspool of **** and three week old urine.

And I say that as a roleplayer. In FW.

Damn.

Because it is no longer correct terminology.

The tribes accepted oppression by "electing" Maleatu Shakor to be the leader of what has developed into a pseudo-religious fundamentalist dictatorship with trademark signatures akin to those of cults that marginalized all tribes but Shakor's own (Brutor).

The correct term is therefore (and henceforth): Shakorites.

Any individual or group wishing to throw off the yolk of bigotry, nepotism and oppression can come to Amarr to swear fealty to her Majesty, Empress Jamyl Sarum (long may she serve!). Together we shall bring light to the billions of screaming souls trapped in eternal shadow under Shakor's raised boot.

I serve. All hail the Empire. All hail the Empress.
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As for the rest of your post .. didn't read.