EVE General Discussion

So that the worst items in the game can be sold for less than the best items in the game.

Or redo all the manufactured items so that they're better than the crap that drops off of NPC's in high sec.

I don't think that it's fair that the best items in the game sell for less than it costs for a manufacturer to build the worst, when it isn't making an item only worth building to use in T2 production; no one's buying a missile launcher off me to build a T2 version.

Or at least give us the ability to do something during the manufacturing process that would allow us to increase the meta level of produced items.

It seems out of place to have items that are made out of thin are, with next to no reprocessing value, and that are better to use, in a game that revolves around a player run economy; where the players build the loot.


Everyone seems more concerned with what one group or the other can or can't do, and very little attention ever seems to be paid to a part of the game that has a considerable impact on everyone. The economy.

Why does no one ever complain about this?
Am I the only one that sees Meta 4 items on the market and thinks, what a ******* piece of **** slap in the ******* face this **** is?

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This isn't supply and demand.


This is, player made items have worse stats than named npc loot, but the most mineral investment.

It costs 50k to build said item, while the NPC loot variant with bettter stats can be sold for 3k isk on the market and make a profit. Gues what people AREN'T buying, the **** made by the player.


The cheap **** should be the cheapest ****, not the most expensive. WTF.

About the only tech 1 product you can manufacture for pofit is ammo.
But it takes a while to realize that, and especially beginners are so proud when they build their first missile launcher (off a 0 ME 0 PE Blueprint with maybe 2 ranks in Production efficiency), that it often takes months until they realize that they are actually losing money with it.
I know at least two Highsec-centered players (avoiding the *bear word for now) who somehow feel obliged to build their mission boats and all oft its modules and ammo themselves- without any skills to make it even remotably cost effective.
It's maybe an RP-thing, I don't know.

Um... The reason I am not buying your t1 launcher to make my t2 ones is because I can make t1s just as cheap as you do.

See in order to invent, I need a pos for invention slots and bpcs. To make bpcs, i need bpos. I've already researched the bpos to perfect me levels because I have had time to do so while copying other bpos. (no one makes just 1 type of t2 mod in case the market shifts). So really, if I have all the tools and resources to make t1 mods at the same cost as you included in my t2 production plans, why would I voluntarily lose money by purchasing your mods?

Also, remember I am but one industrialist out of many. Many of us can make missile launchers and chose to do so. You need to find a more niche market. For example, I dabble in large mobile warp disruptors and their t2 variants. Not as many people make those. It does take more skills and initial investment, but I can be one of a few instead of the masses.

So instead of complaining, start working towards something bigger and better. Either find a niche t1 market, get into invention, or both.

Also, you are encountering a changing market. Not too long ago, ccp did not list the isk value of loot. An item lije the pwnage (meta 4) target painter was rare and the only way to realize it was worth 6 mil isk was to either sell near a market hub or be in a location with very combatative buyers. When it cost 6 mil, a t2 target painter at 1 mil was a steal. Now... Why invent t2 tps when I can buy a meta 4 version that is better in all regards and costs a quarter as much?

So really, reducing buikd cost won't change much because so many other factors are in play. It's like the guy complaining that making rifters are a losing deal. Well... It's a cheap ship that you get 5 of while running the minmatar tutorial for free, so there us a huge supply coming in at 0 cost. Plus, with the frig rebalance, other combat frigs like the Merlin, punisher, and incursis are in more demand, reducing the demand for Rifters. Changing build cost won't fix the excess supply and lower demand. To make a profit, you **** to something else.

Quite a profit in T1, "meta 0", GALLENTE Fuel Blocks these days... or did the OP not get the internal memo ?

This could be a part of the problem.

You're explaining the issue here. You DON'T buy for T2 production, because that would be stupid. Right? You should be building the stuff yourself.

And you DON'T just build T2 items. Neither do I. Of course I build launchers, and yes some people actually buy them; so I make money on them.

However.
My luancher cost 40k to make. Even if I sell it for 41k I'll get one or two sales every couple of days.
Why?

Because the ******* gun that was dropped off an NPC, that seems to have a never ending ******* supply, sells for ******* 10k isk, and 100 ******* people purchased one in a single day.

Why are people ok with this?
Are you not industrialists who rely on building and selling things? Or are the the guys that actually aquire all the best items in the game that you can sell for less than what us horrible industrialists make?



I don't need suggestions to improve my portfolio guys, I'm just wondering why more people aren't asking for this to be corrected.

They don't want you to reprocess NPC loot into minerals, so they make NPC loot reprocess into nothing, which in turn makes that loot able to be sold for rediculously cheap prices.


I am assuming that NPC loot gets sold for more than it costs in ammo to aquire it.

This is one of the most pubbie posts i have ever seen from a goon tbh.