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It's a great module!

Should be like the damage control unit though. Strictly one per ship!

Please listen to the posters here. They really have their fingers on the pulse.

Dual (or more) ASB is just silly.

^this.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1943688#post1943688



really? there are more players than you, and they want this game somewhat balanced

My personal preference on 'fixing' ASBs would be to make them a one-shot activation.

You activate it, it cycles through ALL its loaded charges.

You would still get the amazing burst tank, but now dual ASBs aren't enough to cover the reload time. You have to commit to your ASB tanking, it's all or nothing.

This maintains the power of the module against big-number incoming dps, but balances it with a set, short, tanking time.
The upshot of this would be that against targets over time, or against lower dps it is far less efficient and more vulnerable than a normal booster. It is no longer a 'best choice always' module.

Engage a gang with serious dps or need to tank enough to gatecrash or de-aggress = ASB would be better.
Engage at a celestial and in it for the duration = repper / buffer / passive is a better choice.

Paper, scissors, stone =/= EVE

The amount of people in this thread supporting a '1 ABS max' solution is rather overwhelming and coming from many people that are not simply theory-crafting, but have a lot of first-hand experience.

Wanna bet CCP SoniClover is going to ignore them all anyway to implement his own original ham-fisted 'solution'?

It seemed to be pretty much his m.o. when working on the wardecs, ignoring expert input except for some tiny details, so to show he 'listened'. Even the Noir. CSM's opinions were mostly ignored. And in a similary fashion, there were also plenty of players already warning against the current ABS problem when it was still being tested on SiSi half a year ago.

And here we are...

The suggested decrease in charge capacity isn't going to solve imbalance, nor is it going to restrict the use to short skirmishes. And on top of that it also further reinforces the shield dominance in non-capital warfare.

Want to solve this? How about actively seeking input of some actual experts? Have the CSM contact some of the alliance people that were heavily involved in testing ship setups for the alliance tournament. Get the opinion of some of the more active pilots of RvB. Yes, a feedback thread is fun, but it's messy and it's hard to determine someone's authority on a matter.

This is a cool idea and a potential way to go. We've been toying with a similar concept, which is very simple to implement - currently the cap booster charges reduce cap need 100%, but we can easily have them reduce it by less than that. The main difference here is that if the capacitor doesn't have enough cap then the shield boosting will not work at all. This change is not in the version on Duality over the weekend, as we feel adding it will nerf the ASBs too much. So if we introduce this we would most likely revert some of the other changes already made.

Regarding the one-per-ship, this is still on the table, but we want more testing/feedback on the existing changes. Editing it to be one-per-ship is a very quick and easy thing to do, so we're not under any time pressure to make a decision on this quite yet.

This is great news, i hope people stop flying fkin frigs now and fly a real ship.

Possible future version then if it requires a bit of a new method for coding. Doesn't have to be for retribution, but I really think just reducing total boost amount based on how many boosters are fit is a good way to do it. The real problem is the fact that they can run so powerfully no matter how many boosters are fit. Having a single one run powerfully for a period isn't all that broken. On bonused ships, it gets a bit ridiculous, but it's not impossible to fight.

I understand that CCP wanted a TEMPORARY massive boost to shield, and at the moment it's just not temporary enough.

I think as has been mentioned before that the ASB works more as a giant buffer than an active tank in that if you KEEP shooting an ASB fitted ship it will eventually run out of charges and die, as opposed to an active tank system which will tank a certain amount of DPS indefinitely. The problem is that at the moment the buffer is just too big.

For example, a corp-mate has a dual ASB Sleipnir which can tank something like 5.5k DPS until he runs out of charges, which unfortunately is several minutes, and as any PvPer will testify seconds and minutes become mini-lifetimes when you are in the heat of battle. The ASB has not robbed any of the Sleipnir's hitting power, so whilst my regular buffer-tanked ship is not out-gunned it is simply a matter of whose timer runs out of first, and at the moment due to the power of the ASB it's always going to be mine.

My solution to the problem would be to make the ASB non-reloadable, and in order to give the same initial boost but make it wear off more quickly I would make it so the actual boost given by the ASB reduced with each cycle until it was empty, for example (based on the module's current stats):

Cycle 1: 100%
Cycle 2: 98%
Cycle 3: 94%
Cycle 4: 88%
Cycle 5: 80%
Cycle 6: 70%
Cycle 7: 58%
Cycle 8: 44%
Cycle 9: 28%

So you can see, for the first three cycles they get pretty much the same whack as they do from the current module, for the 4th and fifth it's still no laughing matter for the enemy but after that it really starts to wear off until it runs out of charges and the buffer is spent.

After that, well, you better hope you killed them in time!

True.

The thing that never ceases to amaze me is how CCP time and time again refused to give us any reasoning on why they had introduced this new module. Cause, frankly, only two options are possible:

1) ASB is balanced in line with conventional tank, but since conventional tank is aknowledged to be somewhat underpowered why introduce yet another module of that sort

OR

2) ASB is overpowered - and then why the hell do we need conventional tank at all in the first place