EVE General Discussion

False. Clearly more are annoyed at you. You simply have a very vocal minority of fellow undesirables. In your little world of lolRP, you are winning. In reality, you need culling. You should be careful of who you annoy

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The sort of people who I want to encourage to play EVE are not all that risk adverse.

If you want absolute safety I have a referral link to Hello Kitty online I can sell you for 400million.

And you're simply an ignorant undesirable belligerent who needs to be removed from this game if the company and its product are to thrive.

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However, bumping is a different scenarios. Bear's cannot effectively "gank" them in the traditional sense of the word. They do not have a single company or entity. Nay, half of them are sat inside NPC corps, while the rest are spread out. War deccing them would be a financial sink hole and a useless investment with MAYBE 1 or 2 kills to be had.

For now, miners try to orbit, or AB/MWD back, web each other, counter bump the enemy or bump each other back, but this is not as effective as the game disrupting activity of bumping them away in the first place.

This is what makes them undesirables that must be removed or nerfed; there is no effective counter to them. If it was all one corp, or a gank, or even lowsec, I'd tell the bears to remember their teeth and claws, suck it up, and fire back. This is not the case. It is not considered an "exploit" since it is a game mechanic, as so many workingasintended-tards tend to lean on.

Therefore, they interrupt, without consequence, the gameplay of those who choose to sit in a quiet corner to themselves, talk on corp chat, make a meal, or do whatever and mine their little hearts out. They do not pay to be griefed; they pay to play. I don't care if "this is Eve" or "working as intended" or "get over it." If I could kill you in the game to stop you, this wouldn't be an issue, but the current aggression tactics are not conducive to an effective counter attack.

That is why they are undesirable belligerents. That is why they should be removed. That is why I stand with the bears.

What is your reason, besides annoying people and being generally unproductive?

And don't bother with the "why should they interrupt my gameplay?" Your right to game play ends where it infringes on others' rights.

I honestly and legitimately wish that a large portion of industrialists and miners would simply cease their activities and unsubscribe for a while. Let's see if the claim that they can be replaced really does hold up the eve economy.

It doesn't help. Why would more expensive losses equate to more meaningful to everyone? It just means people would be MORE risk averse you twit. You raise the barrier of entry, they dont want to risk loosing the ship, they end up not playing OR paying, subscriptions go down, and gg Eve. GG free expansions, GG more content, expanding company, more gameplay, more fixed, more ANYTHING.

Wonderful, I'm glad you have friends who would be willing to pvp and risk loss. That is not a bad thing and, if it's fun to them, so be it.

Others are not like that. They want to see progress, activities moving them forward in their chosen profession. Most people like a bloody pat on the back for, let's say, mining rocks. They don't want to just loose it to an annoying loop hole in game mechanics.

IF there was a way to effectively counter the bumping, this wouldn't be an issue and the fault would be on the bears. But there isn't.

Would you remember what I said about barrier of entry? I don't care about your NAP alliances. I care about the new people coming in and trying to build up. You build whatever the hell you want, I just don't want to see Jonny Newbie play three weeks, find it impossible to afford a damn cruiser, and then quit.

But miners keep assuring me that the minerals they mine are free, therefore indicating that their time is worth nothing. Since bumping takes nothing from miners but time, they aren't really losing anything, Q.E.D.

The fact that I understand current mechanics and as a result know that introducing concord or aggression over bumping is a horrific idea that would destroy the game makes me an undesirable, someone who is somehow holding back the game and should be removed?

My dear Undesirable friend, I have been part of what makes this game thrive since 2006. You are suggesting or supporting ideas that would destroy core mechanics, this in turn makes you the Undesirable.

This entire post is flawed. For a start, you claim bumping has no counter, then go on to list many different tactics and counters. War dec the bumpers, orbit the asteroids tightly, webify your friends, suicide gank if necessary, etc. There are many ways to deal with them, that you refuse to employ any of the numerous mechanics at your disposal and instead ask CCP to remove the bumpers is another thing that makes you the Undesirable.

Additionally, you state that the sandbox ends when it infringes on another players rights. This is incorrect. You have no rights, and not simply because you're an Undesirable. No player has any rights in the sandbox. You do not have the right to play "in peace", you are misinformed. The counter to this is, of course, that I do not have the right to play uninterrupted either, so feel free disrupt my playstyle with whatever mechanics are at your disposal - ganking, wars, webbing and orbiting, moving system, etc.

That requires the OP to be at his computer