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Laser crystal damage and crystal breakage
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#1 - 2012-10-21 13:07:20 UTC
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Crystal_damage

Referencing this, I think I understand how damage is calculated (its probability based each activation).

But what just happened to me was strange. I was using a pair of two scorch S crystals and both were at damage of about 0.15.

One of them broke Shocked. Why is this? I thought that crystals only break when they get to 100% wear. Or am I wrong? Is there a chance that they break even when not near 100% wear? I.e. they could break the 2nd time you activate them?

Or is this possibly a bug?

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Jake Smiley
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-21 17:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Smiley
The damage is counted out of 1, so at 0.15 it is 15% damaged. It breaks when it reaches 1, and there is no chance for it to break before that.

You may have encountered a bug, or you may have gotten unlucky with the crystal taking damage very often when firing, speeding up its deterioration.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#3 - 2012-10-22 07:13:03 UTC
Worth filing a bug report, or petition you think? There's no way that the crystal went from 0.15dmg -> 1.00 as I had only activated the module about 5 cycles.

Or will they have nothing in their logs (I'm assuming this stuff maybe client side).

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#4 - 2012-10-23 05:13:08 UTC
Did you check the damage on them before you bought them? Someone might have ripped you off and sold you a used crystal.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Taiyri Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-23 06:11:06 UTC
I thought you couldn't sell damaged items. :/

http://thepvpexperience.com
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#6 - 2012-10-23 07:10:30 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Did you check the damage on them before you bought them? Someone might have ripped you off and sold you a used crystal.


You cannot, only via contracts, these were bought from market. And did you read the post? They started off as 0.15 each.
If even they were damaged on every cycle, the most they could go to was 0.20 dmg.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-10-23 11:34:22 UTC
We are talking about two 400k isk crystals..

Is this Really worth a forum post?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#8 - 2012-10-23 12:06:34 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
We are talking about two 400k isk crystals..

Is this Really worth a forum post?


Yes, if it is a bug.

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Alec Enderas
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-10-23 14:22:38 UTC
We're all damaged equally ? How did you check ?
If the guns were groupped, and you only checked by moving the cursor over the guns, it shows only the damage on one of the X guns (random / first?). The other crystal could have been damaged more.

I am not old, just bitter.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#10 - 2012-10-23 15:10:58 UTC
Were your weapons grouped? If yes, do you know of BOTH crystals that they were 0.15 damaged?
Have you switched ammo a lot and had other crystals of the same type in your cargohold?
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#11 - 2012-10-24 07:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Yes, both were brand new crystals when bought, I didn't have any others in cargo. Both weapons grouped. Also both were at 0.15dmg before use.

Edit: It's possible this happened if one crystal was almost worn out and the other was new or semi damaged, but I'm sure this wasn't the case here. Either way, the crystal damage interface needs a lot of work - even if show properties on a single crystal showed the amount of damage on the crystal when unloaded, that would help, or improvement of the tooltip. I think this has been discussed and requested in another post somewhere.

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-24 21:32:34 UTC
Most likely I still think you made some mistake that you're not aware off or checked wrongly. But I'm looking towards the reply to that petition.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#13 - 2012-10-25 07:08:14 UTC
Will see if it happens again. If it does, it's definately a bug, if not I guess I just ignore it.

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