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ROFL CCP is going to fast-forward the changes no LP dump
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#141 - 2012-10-25 05:39:18 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Call me an optimist, but I believe we can hold the required number of systems for T3 (42?). It's really not that hard. If everyone just gets out and afk deplexes for a 1-2 days max, we'll be fine and stop the bleeding. If, however, Gal Mil shows their A.D.D and starts chasing merlins with a 15 man gang in the evenings, then yeah, we're screwed :)

I have a noob deplexing alt running a couple of systems and it's raking in the ELLL PEEE as we speak :)


It seems I was correct about the alt. :)



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Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-10-25 05:40:45 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Squatdog wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:
So what im reading out of this is instead of chasing warp core stabbed merlins and all we get to shoot actual combat ships now? Big smile


Yes :) And the Caldari have had all this morning in their unopposed DT timezone to flip systems too, I expect the cal/gal warzone to come out relatively balanced after all this.


Caldari had"ALL MORNING" to bust 50+ bunkers with less than a day's notice?

Well that clearly makes it okay, CCP Kermit!


IIRC, you managed to flip 12 systems in the day before this was announced - I wasn't watching yesterday.

Today, the Caldari flipped one system. There were a lot vulnerable when I logged in in the US TZ, and still 8 vuln now, a bunch at 98%+. Definitely was at least 12 vuln still.

If the Caldari had kept up the same momentum today busting bunkers, that would have put the caldari at 46 and gallente at 55. That's not that far apart.


Caldari barely managed to flip a dozen or so systems (based around key mission stations) by throwing whoever happened to be online into an ad hoc fleet of whatever ships people happened to have nearby.

The reason they couldn't 'keep up the same momentum' is that Gallente have literally spent all day frantically decontesting no less than FORTY-EIGHT of the 52 remaining vulnerable systems. Virtually all of which would have been busted and flipped if Caldari had sufficient warning of the ninja patch.
michael chasseur
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-10-25 06:32:51 UTC
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#144 - 2012-10-25 06:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Squatdog wrote:
The reason they couldn't 'keep up the same momentum' is that Gallente have literally spent all day frantically decontesting no less than FORTY-EIGHT of the 52 remaining vulnerable systems. Virtually all of which would have been busted and flipped if Caldari had sufficient warning of the ninja patch.


And it's much easier to defend systems when all you need is an unfitted atron for it and it's middle of the week, notoriously hard time to muster numbers for ihub bashing because, you know, some of us actually have dayjobs and stuff. We tried to get some fights over plexes in systems which were 90% over and this only resulted in massive blueballs.

And yet, gallentes will keep shouting they are hurt by this patch, CCP does not favor them, Fozzie is not s.itting over Caldari/Amarr because his job is on the line due to crappy mechanics he put forth and that all of us should wrap our tinfoils tighter around the head.

I leave this here as final comment about CCP and FW.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#145 - 2012-10-25 07:01:54 UTC
Squid tears = Best Tears
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#146 - 2012-10-25 11:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Squatdog wrote:
The reason they couldn't 'keep up the same momentum' is that Gallente have literally spent all day frantically decontesting no less than FORTY-EIGHT of the 52 remaining vulnerable systems. Virtually all of which would have been busted and flipped if Caldari had sufficient warning of the ninja patch.


And it's much easier to defend systems when all you need is an unfitted atron for it and it's middle of the week, notoriously hard time to muster numbers for ihub bashing because, you know, some of us actually have dayjobs and stuff. We tried to get some fights over plexes in systems which were 90% over and this only resulted in massive blueballs.

And yet, gallentes will keep shouting they are hurt by this patch, CCP does not favor them, Fozzie is not s.itting over Caldari/Amarr because his job is on the line due to crappy mechanics he put forth and that all of us should wrap our tinfoils tighter around the head.

I leave this here as final comment about CCP and FW.


My atrons have stabs. Oh how the tides have turned.

In all honesty though, well have to see how this pans out. Im amazed at how much d-plexing we have been able to do and was expecting a more balanced warzone from gal/cal once the chips had settled. I guess disrupting the happy endings guys on their second bash last night really put a dampener on their last bashing run. Good fights though.
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-10-25 11:53:14 UTC
Damar if you hate CCP why do you give them your money for 6 separate accounts each month
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#148 - 2012-10-25 13:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Abannan wrote:
Damar if you hate CCP why do you give them your money for 6 separate accounts each month

I don't think he's paid a dime to CCP for at least four years.

In any case, I hope CCP is open to reducing LP for defensive plexing. It is too easy for the effort..
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#149 - 2012-10-25 13:32:09 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Abannan wrote:
Damar if you hate CCP why do you give them your money for 6 separate accounts each month

I don't think he's paid a dime to CCP for at least four years.

In any case, I hope CCP is open to reducing LP for defensive plexing. It is too easy for the effort..



I agree, however, the lp for defensive plexing reduces as the contested rate lowers. So it might be self managing.
Mirana Niranne
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#150 - 2012-10-25 15:06:27 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Abannan wrote:
Damar if you hate CCP why do you give them your money for 6 separate accounts each month

I don't think he's paid a dime to CCP for at least four years.

In any case, I hope CCP is open to reducing LP for defensive plexing. It is too easy for the effort..



I agree, however, the lp for defensive plexing reduces as the contested rate lowers. So it might be self managing.

Yeah, I don't think you'll see systems get de-plexed much below 70%.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#151 - 2012-10-25 17:07:53 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I agree, however, the lp for defensive plexing reduces as the contested rate lowers. So it might be self managing.
The self-managing situation may lead to severe boredom when people decide that attacking isn't worth it because they won't be able to win - especially with massive number of plexes needed to flip a system nowadays.

The guiding principle: Pay should go to those who create content. Content is created through attack.

Minor lp rewards for defensive plexing are ok, but these rewards (coupled with Tier payouts) are at "farming levels". Hopefully CCP fixes it. The risk is that people will give up on attacking systems for the same reason that they gave up on defending - the alts are too numerous and will destroy their hard work too quickly during "off hours".

"Kill all rats" was a good enough solution, IMO. There are already plenty of players who are willing to defend with no pay if they think they have a chance at winning (which they didn't when afk plexing alts ruled the day 4 days ago).

Anyways, this is a better situation than before - a few more adjustments may be necessary (lower defensive payouts, lower number of plexes needed to flip system).
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#152 - 2012-10-25 17:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Mirana Niranne wrote:
I agree, however, the lp for defensive plexing reduces as the contested rate lowers. So it might be self managing.Yeah, I don't think you'll see systems get de-plexed much below 70%.


As tier level increases, the incentive to afk defensive plex increases - creating a stagnant front.

Alt defensive plexer payout example: 10k minor * Contested Level * Tier Level. At Tier 3, 10k lp is gained for each minor at 57% contested.

Conclusion: Expect systems to be brought down to less than 50% by afk defensive plexing alts at Tier 3.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#153 - 2012-10-25 17:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Squatdog wrote:

The reason they couldn't 'keep up the same momentum' is that Gallente have literally spent all day frantically decontesting no less than FORTY-EIGHT of the 52 remaining vulnerable systems. Virtually all of which would have been busted and flipped if Caldari had sufficient warning of the ninja patch.


The 3 biggest alliances in Cal Mil is

Happy Endings ~ 300 members
Kraken ~ 300 members
Templis Dragonaors ~ 200 members

All of whom work together. That's a coalition of 800 members. If you can't bust systems with this, then you truly are, what others have referred to you as, the 'Comedy Central Militia.' A joke.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-10-25 21:31:16 UTC
Quote:


The 3 biggest alliances in Cal Mil is

Happy Endings ~ 300 members
Kraken ~ 300 members
Templis Dragonaors ~ 200 members

All of whom WAR DEC EACHOTHER.


Fixed!


...and most of those numbers are alts, semi-active accounts and random pirates. Spread across multiple timezones.

Quote:
If you can't bust systems with this, then you truly are, what others have referred to you as, the 'Comedy Central Militia.' A joke.


50+ systems with less than a days notice. With a Gallente counter-fleet trying to blob them.

LOL!
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#155 - 2012-10-25 21:34:58 UTC
Not sure if you're trolling or daft. They've never wardecced each other and work together in fleets all the time. They all flew together last night in the fight in Reitsato. Check the war history of each alliance if you don't believe me.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-10-25 21:46:03 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Squatdog wrote:

The reason they couldn't 'keep up the same momentum' is that Gallente have literally spent all day frantically decontesting no less than FORTY-EIGHT of the 52 remaining vulnerable systems. Virtually all of which would have been busted and flipped if Caldari had sufficient warning of the ninja patch.


The 3 biggest alliances in Cal Mil is

Happy Endings ~ 300 members
Kraken ~ 300 members
Templis Dragonaors ~ 200 members

All of whom work together. That's a coalition of 800 members. If you can't bust systems with this, then you truly are, what others have referred to you as, the 'Comedy Central Militia.' A joke.



A) Numbers are deceiving

B) Stop whinning Cal Mil...Seriously!?!

No one cared about system control before why are you pretending to do so now? It doesnt matter anymore, the only reason system control mattered was due to LP dumping. It doesnt matter now. Big deal you get a little more LP from holding 30 or whatever systems.

Stop bothering with the dumb fw mechanics now and just play FW like it was pre inferno. The only thing I see with this patch (which I like) is now I dont have to worry about LP dumps to make money and can cash out whatever lp I want to at any time.

It is funny how people would rather spin buttons then actually fight......

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#157 - 2012-10-25 22:13:07 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:

It is funny how people would rather spin buttons then actually fight......



You sure you don't want to come back to Gallente?

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-10-25 22:27:51 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:

It is funny how people would rather spin buttons then actually fight......



You sure you don't want to come back to Gallente?


nah Frog Steamers is such a good name, besides we are making our own fun..

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#159 - 2012-10-25 22:33:26 UTC
Squatdog wrote:
Quote:


The 3 biggest alliances in Cal Mil is

Happy Endings ~ 300 members
Kraken ~ 300 members
Templis Dragonaors ~ 200 members

All of whom WAR DEC EACHOTHER.





yea actually we war deced an alliance, one of the corps joined krkaen, and kraken inherently became wardecced. *shrug*

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Mirana Niranne
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#160 - 2012-10-26 00:00:38 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
JAF Anders wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:

It is funny how people would rather spin buttons then actually fight......



You sure you don't want to come back to Gallente?


nah Frog Steamers is such a good name, besides we are making our own fun..


Just think though, if you joined us you might not get primaried at the beginning of every fight with the knowledge that if you go down, your entire fleet will fall apart.