EVE General Discussion

ice is profitable enough to mine in galente now? i'd say that is a result, and the sudden drop of available hulks has also helped my indy-friend in his hulk-manufacturing business.

yeah i hear that sansha is a great leader! never heard a sansha complain about his leadership.

if you dont like whos in the CSM, get your own candidate, the very fact that something like 90% of people in EvE live in high-sec but really the only people who bothered to vote were null-sec, and then VAST MAJORITY of those people voted for 1 guy, that should say SOMETHING.

and that something is that OBVIOUSLY majority of high-sec players are too apathetic to vote for anyone and only the people in null who have anything actually at stake in the game care enough to organize into true political parties.

its a free EvE, you wanna do something, do it, just don't get mad that your competition has more people willing to field at the voting ballots then you do.

Only because you don't want to hear about them. This CSM has gotten more done than the other CSMs combined.

And THAT doesn't happen now? Current and proposed changes to Eve are slewed which way?

But no. Regions should include lowsec, null wherever. In fact let's say you divided Eve by 8 marks of a compass and put up 8 candidate posititons for those regions. ALL sec status is included. The same political process applies for your candidate as it stands now.

Your right to vote in Area A, B or C is easily implemented by snapshotting populations. You can have as many alts in as many places as you want but you need to know when a snapshot occurs for them to be corruptible. It reduces if not eliminates the likelihood of alliance stacked voting immediately.


The highsec apathy is an issue and that's what I was pointing out. It does not make the current method of voting any more 'correct" because of it.

And, if I had a fixed view of highsec and what it should be, what others said wouldn't matter now would it? What I do is promote and seek debate/discussion to harness/modify my own views. I have just as quickly changed a view based on good rational argument.


Yes indeed. And I'm posting here for what reason? Wasn't one of my comments complaining about highsec is too lazy and disorganised to find and field a candidate?

But I totally agree. And of course, the ones that didn't vote are usually the loudest against the elected. But you know, there's another reason for that. None of the candidates might have been deemed suitable... Even in Australia, with compulsory voting, we can still vote informally by voting for no-one.


And I do. Having alliance candidates voted in by predominately alliance members is NOT a democracy. The largest alliances will always get their candidate in.

It's part of the reason why highseccers etc. void the CSM and don't/refuse to vote. THEY will not be represented.

In my plan (open to debate as always), they ARE represented, whether they like it or not.

EDIT: As an adjunct here, 8 regions by compass point will almost guarantee the rep will need to take into account both 0.0, lowsec and highsec into account in his deliberations. Pissing off whole regions is NOT going to be productive is it?

(And the snapshot mentioned should also ensure WH residents are picked up by eg: static WH at time of snapshot.)

So your main problem with giving the candidates with the most votes seats on the CSM is that the people who can be bothered to vote aren't voting for the people you think should be elected.

See that's the problem with all this "democacy" stuff - sometimes people just won't do what you tell them to, even though you know what's best for them. How annoying!

So of course the obvious solution is, instead of letting them choose to vote for whomever they want (because they're stubbornly voting for the wrong people), to only present them with a set of choices that you approve of. Only that way can we replicate the excellent success that RL political systems like those in the US and UK have demonstrated in representing the proles.


OK, back in non-bizzarro world:

If "hi-sec" is under-represented because the hi-sec community disorganised and apathetic, the solution is not to hobble the organised, active community. You're explicitly trying to disenfranchise nullsec alliance members because they're organised and interested. "These guys I don't like are more effective than the guys I like! Quick, punish them!". Hardly the stuff of Saturday morning specials there, skipper. If you lost the race, then you lose some weight and get some training in, and try harder next time. You don't petition the judges to give you a head start or give you a special prize for entering the race. Well, maybe you do, but people with any self-respect don't.

Your "regional representation" idea is self evidently ridiculous, comically easy to manipulate (snapshots, LOL!) and takes no account of the fact that regional position is almost meaningless: There are no Kor-Azor specific issues. There's no Lonetrek ethnic problem.

The CSM isn't here to resolve the balance of payments between Minmatar and Caldari space. It's here to represent the players, not the star systems, and the delegates are chosen on an equal basis by all the players who can vote for anyone they want to, not on the basis of them being able to choose anyone from a list you approve of.

there you are wrong , who is crying not me i am just stating the fact that at the moment i can be manipulated in favour of one group like what happenend now , and yes i do think the mittani is a absolute egocentric baffoon

but if he ever comes up with a great idea or concept to improve this game for all i will support him,
unlikely to happen th

nice idea you know!!!!

1 month ago i made a trip around the universe. Just for fun. Wanted to visit many spaces i have never been to before.

Let's say you got this snapshot in that time. Where could i appear then? And why the hell you force me to visit that space some time after to execute my right to vote?