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CCP allow miners to defend against bumpers ?
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Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#141 - 2012-10-24 20:09:30 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Allowing miners to defend themselves" has proven to be a gigantic slippery slope in the past. Giving them an inch in any direction is inevitably going to result in highsec having even less player to player interaction in it.



It's rare that someone using the "slippery slope fallacy" will actually stop to destroy their argument by referring to it as such. Perhaps it's a result of being surrounded by so much ice...badabing!
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#142 - 2012-10-24 20:10:55 UTC
Twoso wrote:
To all the "miners suck" type trolls: People have been bitching about neutral repping for years. The primary argument was and is that its consequence-free game play that ruins high sec pvp.




Thing is that grieffing and bulling is the major part of this game and rules/mechanics are set to over reward those.

You may call it as you want, you might as well find as many arguments as you want but facts are there, just open your eyes, read and figure out even if you have less tha 100IQ wich seems to be at least 100% already higher than average eve player.

There's absolutely nothing, really nothing to make this game evolve to something "acceptable" with actual player numbers, there's even less acceptable if you even figure out CCP is a company and as so should be on the road of success instead of a simple "special nerds" thing.

It's their stuff after all, I got bored a couple times and kept accounts because "hope" something interesting happens, thing is that actually interesting things are happening. Then it's not of my business or yours whatever happens if something else gets interesting above this cold (grieffing) harsh (ganking) universe (you simply can't explore anyway)

It's gaming life, things go up and things go down.

brb
Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-10-24 20:18:40 UTC
As the bumper in question here, I would like to point one thing out. Wars.


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Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2012-10-24 21:34:15 UTC
Hire Mercenaries with the funds you earn afk mining.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#145 - 2012-10-24 21:40:29 UTC
Start a crusade to add massive bounties to their corporations.

Post in local, send mails to other Industrial corps. Every little helps.

In Eve you are significantly more powerful than you think you are. Wait a couple of weeks, infiltrate their corp with a couple of friends and then gank them the next time one undocks in their most expensive PvE ship. Don't whine about it, do something.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#146 - 2012-10-24 21:52:37 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks


Pay the fee, it's 10m isk to afk to your little hearts content.


Why should he have to pay a fee for a resource center that does not belong to this group?


Because that group has the ability and desire to disrupt that resource center. I don't make a thread on EVE-O whenever a roaming gang comes through my ratting system and disrupts my resource center, I adapt and DEAL WITH IT.




Or you can just pay 10m isk and be done with it!



For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.
Nanatoa
#147 - 2012-10-24 21:57:00 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.


But you will allow someone to force you out of something you do want to do? Where's the self respect and dignity in that?
It is not an exploit btw.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#148 - 2012-10-24 22:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Elvis Fett wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP, Buff bumping. I want dedicated bumping ship with 1 high slot for Tear Harvester II, and low slot for Tear Harvester Upgrade II.


Bumping has many uses in EVE, many beyond just harassing miners (which I must admit is quite a good use of the mechanic). I am surprised we haven't seen a battering ram ship. Battleship mass, frigate speed, 1 high slot (no turret/missile slots, utility only).


If CCP would let us adapt more current hulls via an expansion of subsystems then I'm pretty sure we would come up with one, preferably with a pointy bit at the front like the new Minmatar Killdozer, as it is MWD Machariels are pretty boss at removing stubborn and heavy ships like Orcas.

HollyShocker 2inthestink, talks about self respect & dignity, names himself after a sexual deviation Roll

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#149 - 2012-10-24 23:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.


Except that its not an 'exploit' and is a valid game mechanic no matter how much the bad men are abusing you and disrupting your gameplay. Collision and the ability to bump and be bumped has existed for years.

All because someone has figured out something new and innovative to do with it doesn't warrant a call to remove the mechanic entirely, or in this case- a demand by spoiled players to be able to ~defend~ themselves against it.

(you can)

.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#150 - 2012-10-24 23:17:33 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.

Except that its not an 'exploit' and is a valid game mechanic no matter how much the bad men are abusing you and disrupting your gameplay. Collision and the ability to bump and be bumped has existed for years.

All because someone has figured out something new and innovative to do with it doesn't warrant a call to remove the mechanic entirely, or in this case- a demand by spoiled players to be able to ~defend~ themselves against it.

(you can)

Miners were clearly intended to happily afk in the belt....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#151 - 2012-10-24 23:19:07 UTC
I have no problem with being bumped, not able to retaliate without being Concorded is what I have issue with. Which is a complete contradiction of what 315 proclaims he wants, more risk in hi-sec.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#152 - 2012-10-24 23:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: BeanBagKing
Zkaor wrote:
I have no problem with being bumped, not able to retaliate without being Concorded is what I have issue with. Which is a complete contradiction of what 315 proclaims he wants, more risk in hi-sec.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wars
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#153 - 2012-10-24 23:22:53 UTC
Wars do not add risk to high-sec, allowing miners to defend does.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#154 - 2012-10-24 23:24:29 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
Wars do not add risk to high-sec, allowing miners to defend does.

I don't get it...
"I want to retaliate without concord intervention!" --> wars
"I don't wanna war!"
Did I miss something?
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-10-24 23:25:40 UTC
Just wanted to say: collisions would be funny ^_^

but yeah, not a real need here guys - move along.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#156 - 2012-10-24 23:27:42 UTC
BeanBagKing wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Wars do not add risk to high-sec, allowing miners to defend does.

I don't get it...
"I want to retaliate without concord intervention!" --> wars
"I don't wanna war!"
Did I miss something?

Hahahaha.

But wait, there's something special that happens when you try to start a war on him. Thanks, high-sec war mechanics, we love you for bringing pvp into our lives ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#157 - 2012-10-24 23:28:17 UTC
A 2 man corp war dec New Order ? Lay off the pipe man.
Zkaor
HATRON 4
#158 - 2012-10-24 23:31:25 UTC
315 and his sheep want more risk in hi-sec....good, so do I, but he does not want it for them (New Order). He makes to much isk with no risk to him at all.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#159 - 2012-10-24 23:32:26 UTC
Just quit the game miners and sit back and watch all those people who despised you cry on the forums because it cost half a billion for a Rifter.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#160 - 2012-10-24 23:33:32 UTC
Zkaor wrote:
A 2 man corp war dec New Order ? Lay off the pipe man.

So get your friends, join a bigger corp, get mercs to wardec him, hire other people...

Oh wait, I get it now, you're not interested in any of this because you don't actually want a fair fight. When you say you don't want concord intervening, what you actually mean is you don't want concord intervening in ways that are inconvenient to you. You want to be able to shoot him without him being able to shoot back, because lets face it, even if it was one on one, he would rip your mining ship apart with his pvp skills and ship. What you want is to have the game mechanics changed to cater to your needs because without something put into place to hold your hand, you're too weak willed and weak minded to fight back or come up with something on your own.

Nevermind, sorry for the confusion, I guess I can't help, carry on.