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EVE is boring and it is sucky.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#61 - 2012-10-24 09:11:35 UTC
you're boring and sucky. Doesn't feel good does it!

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Keno Skir
#62 - 2012-10-24 11:43:19 UTC
Sucky feels good at times :)
Signal11th
#63 - 2012-10-24 11:57:06 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Agree with earlier post. If EvE is getting boring it is either a personal imagination / motivation issue or just not the game for you. However your OP makes little actual sense. The possibility for individuality in training in EvE is massive compared to most other games.

If CCP made a boring game nobody would play it for long.



Of course they would, it's called a habit.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#64 - 2012-10-24 11:58:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


This.


That.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-10-24 12:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I kind of agree. If EVE wasn't an MMO it would be a terrible game.

There's nothing interesting in space. It would be nice if CCP hired someone to put in some new and interesting content to make the world of EVE feel more alive. For example, spacial phenomenon, danger from asteroids and radiation, NPC battling each other, etc
Signal11th
#66 - 2012-10-24 12:13:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


This.


That.



Or the other..which is some people are easily pleased....

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2012-10-24 12:24:09 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE.
…and that is why CCP isn't going for it.

Quote:
Balance gives you less risk.
No. Balance gives you more unpredictability in what you'll encounter, which translates into more risk.

Demolishar wrote:
Yeah, everyone says that EVE is boring and sucky these days. But we still all grind 600mil for PLEXes.
No, we don't.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-10-24 14:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
just because you don't feel like putting the time into becoming a good eve player and having comrades in an alliance scenario, does not mean that eve is bad. Eve is pretty solitary and limited until you get involved with the community (I.E. join a PvP corp or alliance, or something that requires working with a group) and then your game becomes much more interesting.

Quote:
Why the CCP obsessive compulsiveness with balance? Where is the chaos? Where is the choice?


See this is the problem people are having. Balancing is not done in order to "make all ships the same", it is done to "make all ships viable for their intended purpose in comparison with each other." You can't have choice when there is only one ship that is better than the other 3 supposed choices. (Example, rifter kicking the ass of the other 3 combat frigs for the longest time) You can't have chaos when you know exactly what a person is going to fly. Think "Battlecruiser in PvP? It's either a HM drake or a dual neut cane..."

People have this stupid conviction that the opposite of balance means more choices and more interesting gameplay. The real opposite of balance is what eve was until they started the balance run on T1s, Drake Cane and Rifter Online. I guess that could be fun if you like flying drake cane or rifter all day every day, but some people want varying ships for varying scenarios.

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Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2012-10-24 15:01:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


This.


That.


Those.

Would you like a kitten?

Ryhss
#70 - 2012-10-24 15:14:51 UTC
OP doesn't undand Eve. In hia example everyone can refine equally well. So, the character with level 1 refining gets the same results as the guy with level 5 refining?
Innovation is not the same. Minmatar use bullets, Amarr use lasers. There's plenty more but I don't like to type.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-10-24 16:54:04 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


The same could be said for watching paint dry...
Ginger Barbarella
#72 - 2012-10-24 17:07:25 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
McDonalds. I've been to this franchise all over the planet


Stopped reading here for obvious reasons.

Fail better. 0/10

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2012-10-24 17:44:56 UTC
Well a better idea would be to add more dynamic content.
Such as use the old Incursion code but have it made of various pirates and last maybe 2 hours.
Suddenly you have planetary attacks at random that you can go fight in.
Not a lot but it can definitely bring some fun back.
CCP Falcon
#74 - 2012-10-24 19:18:34 UTC

So I read through your post and okay, you have your opinion, which is cool and lets us know how you feel about the game.

Maybe EVE just isn't the game for you, or maybe you'll warm to it in time if you stick with it through tough learning times, who knows?

In the same respect, we have a forum that's dedicated to discussing player thought out features and ideas that they feel would make the game better.

With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum.

We value player feedback and involvement massively, hence having the CSM and a forum dedicated to helping you to help us make the game more awesome.

Why not check it out and show off some of your ideas there?

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-10-24 19:21:38 UTC
If you want to be stuck in some fixed class, grind quests, and have your game content spoon fed then go play anything but Eve. You wont find a game that allows you to actually do what you want to do like in Eve. You obviously just dont like MMOs then and arent going to be happy anywhere.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#76 - 2012-10-24 20:35:25 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

So I read through your post and okay, you have your opinion, which is cool and lets us know how you feel about the game.

Maybe EVE just isn't the game for you, or maybe you'll warm to it in time if you stick with it through tough learning times, who knows?

In the same respect, we have a forum that's dedicated to discussing player thought out features and ideas that they feel would make the game better.

With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum.

We value player feedback and involvement massively, hence having the CSM and a forum dedicated to helping you to help us make the game more awesome.

Why not check it out and show off some of your ideas there?



CCP Falcon wrote:

With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum.


CCP Falcon wrote:

could of


could......of....... *twitches eye*

Falcon punch yourself for that one bro, then you will remember not to do this again

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     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}

Kilastria Mog'oran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-10-24 21:07:12 UTC
I've been playing EVE since 2004, obviously with some on times and off times. It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what year we may be in there are harbingers of doom spouting off about how the game is "unfair", "broken", "dying and/or already dead", "boring", etc......

But yet, here we all are still. Granted not everyone has been around since the first few years but I can tell you that I remember very clearly when it was big news that we had 10,000 players logged in concurrently for the first time. Most normal weekday evenings during east coast USA prime time, I saw an average of 5,000 to 6,000 tops.

Interesting that even though the game was "unfair", "broken", "dying and/or already dead", "boring", etc. since way back then, that now I see over 40,000 on the weekends and even 25,000 when most people should be sleeping. (It was during an "off time" of mine that the current record numbers were hit, so I don't feel the decline since then.)

Are there things wrong with the game? Of course there are! Nothing is perfect....(sorry kiddies for killing the tooth fairy but that's just a fact of the world). However, I haven't found any other game that piques my interest, or my intellect, as much as this game. What other games have you using Excel spreadsheets???

And as long as I'm all uncorked here, this ranting and raving about how "I should be able to do whatever I want in the game but other players don't have the same right' is REALLY getting annoying. This constant whine is not something that I remember being as prevalant before. Granted I do see that space is more dangerous now than it was years ago. But how cool is that??? How cool is it that at any time, any character can find themself caught up in a null sec Alliance initiative ("Ship"ageddon, Interdictions, etc.) I think it adds SO much flavor and immersion to the game.

So no one, well at least not me, buys the nonsense that anyone is rage quitting over a set-back. Your emotions wouldn't be so high in the first place if you didn't really care a lot about the game. Who gets upset about something they don't care for?? Enjoy the game for what it is. Play the game for what it is. See the obstacles in front of you as challenges and use your wits to outsmart those who would seek to destroy you. Live your character a little. Put yourself in there. That's why you're playing this type of game anyway isn't it?

I'm still a high sec carebear....maybe in the appropriate thread sometime I'll get into my brief null sec excursion....and I WELCOME the danger. It's exciting not knowing what's going to happen when I undock, and actually having to use my brain a little to plan out how I am going to accomplish a goal. It's aggravating how lazy some people are. It's not so different from real life. Successful people take what comes their way, don't expect to be spoon fed, and adapt....and everyone else.....well you know the rest.

Sorry if a bit off topic, but I couldn't hold it in anymore.

End rant.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#78 - 2012-10-25 07:38:06 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
OP doesn't undand Eve. In hia example everyone can refine equally well. So, the character with level 1 refining gets the same results as the guy with level 5 refining?
Innovation is not the same. Minmatar use bullets, Amarr use lasers. There's plenty more but I don't like to type.
Have a re-read of my original post, anyone can train from I-IV easily. Level V is a serious case of diminishing returns at the margins. Not much of a choice going for the extra 2%.
Signal11th
#79 - 2012-10-25 07:54:34 UTC
Casirio wrote:
If you want to be stuck in some fixed class, grind quests, and have your game content spoon fed then go play anything but Eve. You wont find a game that allows you to actually do what you want to do like in Eve. You obviously just dont like MMOs then and arent going to be happy anywhere.



Which is pretty much what EVE does as well but just in a much more subtle,clever way.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#80 - 2012-10-25 08:02:35 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Ryhss wrote:
OP doesn't undand Eve. In hia example everyone can refine equally well. So, the character with level 1 refining gets the same results as the guy with level 5 refining?
Innovation is not the same. Minmatar use bullets, Amarr use lasers. There's plenty more but I don't like to type.
Have a re-read of my original post, anyone can train from I-IV easily. Level V is a serious case of diminishing returns at the margins. Not much of a choice going for the extra 2%.



It is still a choice.

It might also be worth remembering that balancing has been going on in EVE for almost ten years. As of yet the players and servers have not detonated into a molten puddle of fail and the world has not ended. You started this thread based on a misunderstanding of the basics of what balancing means in a system as complex as EVE. Then you expanded upon that lack of understanding until you finished typing out your original post.

Having an opinion is great, everyone has one, but expecting other people to understand your opinion and even to agree with it is a little far fetched when you didn't even bother to understand what it is you are complaining about. Balancing does not equal a lack of choice, it provides more choices by increasing the number of viable options available in any given situation.

Balancing is what gets rid of FOTM's, it's what causes fleet doctrines to change once in awhile. So unless you REALLY like incessant blob warfare with people just using 500 Drakes, I'd say you need to be more concerned with HOW the balancing is done, and worry less about the fact that it IS done.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.