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MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-24 00:03:38 UTC
I've probably hit a fluke of luck over the weekend in a C3. While under wife aggro I said what the hell let me try to scan down a mag site just to see if I could hit one.

My alts scan probe strength was 104 in a covert ops with rigs, sisters and a 6% scan strength implant

skills were

covert ops 3
astro acquisition 1
astro pinpointing was 2
astro rangefinding 3
astrometrics 5

So I scan with 7 probes and hit one of the mag sites in the list without much hassle. Pretty text book scanning. Started at 32au and came down to.25au (lack of skills) in about 15 minutes. Nothing fancy or anything.

I run the site with a maxed skilled T3 pilot and got a sweet taste of what a mag site has to offer. Now I want more and I am having a HARD time pinning down another site. I can only get down to 4au @ no more that 25% strength. As soon as I drop the bubbles down to 2au the site is gone. When I move back up to 4au the site is right in the same spot.

So if I invest the days to get the rest of my skills to at least 4's will I be able to always hit mag sites in C2-C4 wormholes? Or is this the case no matter the skill level. I think I got lucky.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-24 00:07:43 UTC
MocNoc wrote:
I've probably hit a fluke of luck over the weekend in a C3. While under wife aggro I said what the hell let me try to scan down a mag site just to see if I could hit one.

My alts scan probe strength was 104 in a covert ops with rigs, sisters and a 6% scan strength implant

skills were

covert ops 3
astro acquisition 1
astro pinpointing was 2
astro rangefinding 3
astrometrics 5

So I scan with 7 probes and hit one of the mag sites in the list without much hassle. Pretty text book scanning. Started at 32au and came down to.25au (lack of skills) in about 15 minutes. Nothing fancy or anything.

I run the site with a maxed skilled T3 pilot and got a sweet taste of what a mag site has to offer. Now I want more and I am having a HARD time pinning down another site. I can only get down to 4au @ no more that 25% strength. As soon as I drop the bubbles down to 2au the site is gone. When I move back up to 4au the site is right in the same spot.

So if I invest the days to get the rest of my skills to at least 4's will I be able to always hit mag sites in C2-C4 wormholes? Or is this the case no matter the skill level. I think I got lucky.



Sounds like a filter problem. The sites all have the same base strength. So if you can scan one, you can scan them all.
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-24 00:11:48 UTC
Getting Rangefinding and Pinpointing to lvl 4 and a bit more practice will certainly make your life a lot more bearable and you won't have any issue finding the sites.

I generally only scan once at 32 AU when first logging on or entering a system (After scouting the system with only dscan), then i set up and start scanning around planets in my 7 probe pattern at 8 AU whilst always starting with any fresh sigs to quickly find any new WH's.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-24 02:00:56 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Sounds like a filter problem. The sites all have the same base strength. So if you can scan one, you can scan them all.


^this.
you can scan mag/rad sites with the listed skills.

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MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-10-24 11:58:48 UTC
Thanks I'll keep at it.
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#6 - 2012-10-24 14:49:51 UTC
I don't bother with filters myself, but for sigs only / ships only ... if it's not a site of the type I'm looking for, I want to KNOW that so I can record and exclude it.
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-10-24 17:08:03 UTC
So should I not use filters at all? I'm assuming when I filter out only Mag sites that the 8 results that show up on the initial scan are mag sites. Should I just do show all and try to track a mag site down the long way?
CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-10-24 17:12:13 UTC
MocNoc wrote:
So should I not use filters at all? I'm assuming when I filter out only Mag sites that the 8 results that show up on the initial scan are mag sites. Should I just do show all and try to track a mag site down the long way?


If your going to ninja a site in any Wh i would suggest that you scan the whole lot down and scout connecting systems.
So yes its a good idea to have your filter set to show all and just ignore any ladars, gravs you come across.
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#9 - 2012-10-24 17:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanyr Andrard
MocNoc wrote:
So should I not use filters at all? I'm assuming when I filter out only Mag sites that the 8 results that show up on the initial scan are mag sites. Should I just do show all and try to track a mag site down the long way?



...so when you finally scan close enough to know's it a mag site, your filter realizes it's a mag site and stops showing it to you. problem solved.

edit: or, if you have the filters set another way, then 98% of the time when you scan down the site, it's not a mag site, so your filter stops showing it to you. mag sites are rare. this actually sounds more likely.
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-10-24 18:23:46 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
MocNoc wrote:
So should I not use filters at all? I'm assuming when I filter out only Mag sites that the 8 results that show up on the initial scan are mag sites. Should I just do show all and try to track a mag site down the long way?



...so when you finally scan close enough to know's it a mag site, your filter realizes it's a mag site and stops showing it to you. problem solved.

edit: or, if you have the filters set another way, then 98% of the time when you scan down the site, it's not a mag site, so your filter stops showing it to you. mag sites are rare. this actually sounds more likely.


I definitely have a filter for Mag only. I do an initial scan and it says there are say 8. I try the highest strength one first from 32au out and get down to 4au and boom it's gone. This is what I've used to land that mag site over the weekend. I'll try with show all when I get home.




MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-24 18:39:57 UTC
OK had to test this out so I logged in from work shh don't tell anyone.

So I set my filter to mag only and scan just to grab the ID's so that when I put it back to show all I can know what to look for. Well when I put it back to show all and do a scan I still get the same ID's as if I had the filter on plus the 2 anoms from the ship scanner. Then I flip to a wormhole filter and scan and yep they are the same ID's that I first picked up.

This could be one of two things happening here that I am learning.

1). The filter doesn't work in the manner I am trying to use it. I must scan and identify the sig and have the game tell me that it's a mag or radar or wormhole before I apply the filter for later use?

2) the filter is borked


I'm starting to think it's #1
backflipper
In Need of Therapy
#12 - 2012-10-24 18:57:21 UTC
MocNoc wrote:
OK had to test this out so I logged in from work shh don't tell anyone.

So I set my filter to mag only and scan just to grab the ID's so that when I put it back to show all I can know what to look for. Well when I put it back to show all and do a scan I still get the same ID's as if I had the filter on plus the 2 anoms from the ship scanner. Then I flip to a wormhole filter and scan and yep they are the same ID's that I first picked up.

This could be one of two things happening here that I am learning.

1). The filter doesn't work in the manner I am trying to use it. I must scan and identify the sig and have the game tell me that it's a mag or radar or wormhole before I apply the filter for later use?

2) the filter is borked


I'm starting to think it's #1



Basically number 1 is right. When you do an initial scan of the system you get a bunch of sigs. You don't know what these sigs are so if you try and filter them by type, its not gonna work. Basically what I'm saying is you can't just use filters to cheat and figure out which sigs are which without scanning them down. If that was true my life would be SO MUCH easier.

So ya just remove your filters and you should be good to go. Personally I just scan till I see what type it is and if its something I want then I continue, if not I put it on the ignore list. Then you don't need to worry about it anymore. The only filters I use are to filter out anomalies, and to only show ships when I'm scanning down people to kill.
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-24 19:00:27 UTC
backflipper wrote:
MocNoc wrote:
OK had to test this out so I logged in from work shh don't tell anyone.

So I set my filter to mag only and scan just to grab the ID's so that when I put it back to show all I can know what to look for. Well when I put it back to show all and do a scan I still get the same ID's as if I had the filter on plus the 2 anoms from the ship scanner. Then I flip to a wormhole filter and scan and yep they are the same ID's that I first picked up.

This could be one of two things happening here that I am learning.

1). The filter doesn't work in the manner I am trying to use it. I must scan and identify the sig and have the game tell me that it's a mag or radar or wormhole before I apply the filter for later use?

2) the filter is borked


I'm starting to think it's #1



Basically number 1 is right. When you do an initial scan of the system you get a bunch of sigs. You don't know what these sigs are so if you try and filter them by type, its not gonna work. Basically what I'm saying is you can't just use filters to cheat and figure out which sigs are which without scanning them down. If that was true my life would be SO MUCH easier.

So ya just remove your filters and you should be good to go. Personally I just scan till I see what type it is and if its something I want then I continue, if not I put it on the ignore list. Then you don't need to worry about it anymore. The only filters I use are to filter out anomalies, and to only show ships when I'm scanning down people to kill.



Got it. I completely understand now and it explains a lot.

Thanks all
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-24 19:21:39 UTC
MocNoc wrote:
backflipper wrote:
MocNoc wrote:
OK had to test this out so I logged in from work shh don't tell anyone.

So I set my filter to mag only and scan just to grab the ID's so that when I put it back to show all I can know what to look for. Well when I put it back to show all and do a scan I still get the same ID's as if I had the filter on plus the 2 anoms from the ship scanner. Then I flip to a wormhole filter and scan and yep they are the same ID's that I first picked up.

This could be one of two things happening here that I am learning.

1). The filter doesn't work in the manner I am trying to use it. I must scan and identify the sig and have the game tell me that it's a mag or radar or wormhole before I apply the filter for later use?

2) the filter is borked


I'm starting to think it's #1



Basically number 1 is right. When you do an initial scan of the system you get a bunch of sigs. You don't know what these sigs are so if you try and filter them by type, its not gonna work. Basically what I'm saying is you can't just use filters to cheat and figure out which sigs are which without scanning them down. If that was true my life would be SO MUCH easier.

So ya just remove your filters and you should be good to go. Personally I just scan till I see what type it is and if its something I want then I continue, if not I put it on the ignore list. Then you don't need to worry about it anymore. The only filters I use are to filter out anomalies, and to only show ships when I'm scanning down people to kill.



Got it. I completely understand now and it explains a lot.

Thanks all



Boom .....got it. Pinned down a radar site in this one WH since the last post.