Market Discussions

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Building customs office will increase demand for high tier PI goods, but that will be modest. There is significant over supply resulting in most selling for below production cost, I doubt it's enough to fix that.

The Bandwidth buff will make long links more practical and reduce the need to bunch structures up and the reduced need to upgrade should result in a modest increase in production capacity.

The biggest influence will be the increase in tariffs.

Those still at work hours after the big announcments come out just cry over the opportunities lost.

...and breathe a sigh of relief when the delay is announced.

20% sounds about right long-term, but I foresee at least a few months of 40-60% higher prices.

Lots of other games coming out this winter that may draw off those who earn their ISK from PI harvesting (i.e. the younger players, where 800k per planet per day in hi-sec from harvesting is still good income for the effort). So between that and the fluctuations caused by people holding monopolies over low-sec / null-sec PI planets it could get ugly as supply constricts.

(Just because people take time out to play other games doesn't always mean that their POS towers suddenly stop needing fuel.)

I'm wondering how control of CO's will work out in the future. Anyone producing PI would have a 'big picture' reason to destroy any and all CO's they ran across. Less supply=higher prices. Anyone not capable of defending their CO is almost certain to lose it.

Throttling POS construction and fuel supply will become one more concern that sovereign entities will have to watch. This may be the first step in the "farms and fields" implementation iterations.

Its also interesting to note that control of COs on planets in general affects the future production of COs. It also requires FW and/or Incursion players. Either the sovereign entities get themselves involved in both or they cede a certain amount of control over POS supply to the market.

Its also interesting to note that a purely mobile, non-sov holding fighting force could devote itself to the destruction of CO's. A business conglomerate could potentially control CO and PI production for most of EVE, not by holding territory or building things, but by destroying them. Screwing up who knows how many people's day.

Will pirates destroy them in losec and plant their own?

What about those taxes?

It should be very interesting to see how this shakes out in the overall scheme of things.

I prediction is most PI in low sec will be in various stages of being reinforced or destroyed since no one is going to risk hundreds of millions or more defend PI. And no one is going to spend hundreds or the billions necessary to defend PI Customs Offices.

Especially since they will be easy targets to find and attack with no defensive capabilities.

There is no reason for some bored Pirate, griefer any guy with a gun not to shoot them. They don't shoot back which is every griefers favorite target, they will cause some form of annoyance to the people that own them making it all the sweeter.

The goons will love this change.

They need some form of defensive capabilities like a cloaking ability or they will just going to be a shoot me pinata.

Even the ones in Null sec will be hard to keep people form taking down without any form of deterrent.

Looks like more PI will move to high sec. Cost go up the price of PI goes up and so on and so on.

I like the idea of player owned Customs offices and all this but it looks like CCP did not think this through enough.

more t4 movement today in Domain per item, than the last 25 days combined.

Robotics jita/amarr etc, rocket up to 100kpu (And still selling)

Woo thanks CCP! $$$$$$


I understand the speculation, but do people think that in the next 3 months, planets are going to magically stop producing?

so.....let me get this right: If you anchor a CO with your corp that is just you and your alts, the taxes from importing/exporting to and from CO will go into your corp wallet only and not into a CCP ISK sink like before?

In otherwords, should a single corp own a CO, that individual will pay no taxes because taxes going out from his wallet will simply end up in his corp wallet?? That's gonna break something...

As for lowsec, Pirates are a lazy bunch of guys. They won't shoot a structure just for fun if it takes longer than 10min. The HP on the CO is big enough to withstand a 10 BS Fleet for about 10min. What we will see are local concentrations of CO where lowsec entities reside within 2 or 3 jumps of their home system mainly as a fight generator. Building CO in that systems for ISK might be a bad idea but i doubt that CO in backyard systems will be touched very often just when the randomly bored and occasion syndrome occurs because you won't get a fight out of the carebear corps.

Much depends on how organized the FW corps/allies are, as they can build the CO rather cheap. Maybe that's the first step of boosting/fixing FW....

I count lowsec BS with 1k or at least 800 DPS at close range not that measly 500 DPS you guys in 0.0 fly. ;)

CO HP
Shield: 10,000,000
Armor: 2,500,000
Structure: 2,000,000

That's 14.5m HP overall, 10 BS with 1k DPS about 15min. So lets say a 10 man mixed BS/BC gang can RF a CO in about 20min, to long for most short attention spaned Pirates.