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Frankly speaking I'm not sure if I like the new system. The targetting system is pretty darn good as it is, compared to say the overview (lots of wasted space), the directional scanner (shitloads of wasted space making it clutter screen) and the probing window (it's a MESS!). And seeing how this window alone takes up a solid 10-12% of my entire screen while the new targetting GUI takes up just the amount of space it needs. I'd say effort is better put elsewhere.

Right now the targetting system tells me everything I need to know in a easy to understand and non-cluttering way. It shows me where the target is, its range, its health and an image in a very clean manner. Sure the other one is nicer looking, but it's not as intuitive in a high pressure combat situation.

In fact, I'm fairly certain that given the choice, I'm gonna keep using the old system over the new one.

CCP isn't really big on offering choice. This is a sandbox game, you get to play it however you like, as long as however you like matches exactly how they want you to play it.

I like the circular healthbars. they are intuitive and cound down to zero in circular fashion. what i really wanted to +1 was the karls comment on hit quality affecting the damage indicator. this would be extremely useful in smaller ships, moreso than in larger ships, but maybe we can cater to both. The opacity could represent the quality of the hit, and the color could depict the amount of damage done (hit numeric damage/ my ships HP), so a fullt red hit would be like 25% my HP whereas a 5-10% hit might be more yellow or orange. (with a black border around it to make it more visible in space)

Exactly. Take the "NEW" design for the Vagabond and the Stabber. I quote:

"As the icing on the cake from our Art department (many thanks to all the people involved, including the amazing CCP Phor), we would like to let you know that the many cries of despair from Stabber / Vagabond pilots have been heard, and you will also get revamped models as part of the winter deal."

And you know what? IF the Art department hadn't messed with the Vagabond/Stabber design in the first place, you wouldn't have to deal with our "cries of despair". Learn from your mistakes already CCP!! Changing the game, for the sake of change, is counter productive.

I did read some posts and more than 50% were against circle targets.
I am against circle targets as well.

You know the bad part about this?
No matter how many people are against circle targets, CCP will implement it either way.


This dictatorship doesn't work in the world of pc games.
You, CCP, don't make a product shaped for the current or future consumers. Who will like a product shaped only by your desires?

You say you care, but it's this the way you let people show you care?
Some players already listed other more important things than these circle targets.

feedback on the new overview changes on duality...

+1 on no health bars floating on the targeted ship (only on the horizontal / vertical target bar)
-1 on the size of the new targets on the targeting bar as the change to circles have increased the footprint. meaning people running lower resolutions will find it increasingly difficult to have all necessary things on screen when if fleets etc. plus lengthy names invade on the area where miniature module icons appear, causing it to clash and appear messy and unrefined.

+1 on the unified invntory change to keep the width of the left column independent to the overall width of the window.

theres still a bug with keeping the advanced filters menu closed when closing the window nd opening it when u change the size of the window to extreme sizes.

-1 on the gun optimals and locking range icons for multiple reasons. They are extremely subtle and although the mouse over idea for weapon groupings is a novel idea, it clashes with an efficient workflow. having to divide concentration on a mouse over activity and then on the overview contacts in the main window and not locked target bar or overview contacts list is going to be frustrating and aggravating to the point people wont bother using the system.

the round health bars i personally dont have a problem. but i would presume if measured the square target health bars have more length to indicate health than the circumference of the circular form. Although this cound be considered superfluous as tooltips allow a percentage readout.

-1 to the fleet hangar changes as fleet hangar access is still locked to refitting access and should be split to allow others to refit without access to a "fleet hangar". regardless of what you guys call it, the hangar space will ALWAYS be used primarily by the main pilot of the ship to store personal items of his or hers.
one has to wonder if this is a subtle stand by CCP to discourage carrier groups to use refitting during combat without voicing such opinions? who's to know.

My answers in italics.
A lot of HUDs are personal preference, which is why many of us can't understand why CCP refuses to allow their players to personalize the options. It's such an arrogant attitude, and is really off putting in a game you're trying to enjoy.

The amount of MMOs that don't let you change from the default UI are far smaller than those that let you. Just look at curse, or any of the "MMO"interface sites. They don't have to maintain 2 systems, they have to maintain one system that lets the players make changes to the UI.

As to the gauges in your car, they're actually circles, and not semi-circles?
http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20080406/Car-Gauges-677905.jpg
They also don't represent 3 different things in one semi-circle, they split them up because it's clearer.

But it's just splitting hairs, as CCP will do whatever they want, regardless of anything anyone says.

CCP doesn't allow mods and the sites you spoke of are mod sites. They are not packaged visual alterations within the distributed game client. As to whether it's good or bad that CCP disallows mods, that is another debate. It is however true that the unaltered clients on most games have a relatively static style. As far as making a system to create user generated changes, again I'd have to ask you to point out another game that bundles that capability.

As far as the guages, you have 3 separate semi circles arranged in a pattern to indicate which level of defense each represents. The overall pattern is a circle, but to suggest that a full circle is unintuitive is like suggesting that analog clocks are difficult to interpret. Also is heat something people have issues with reading often?

I haven't read all replies and suggestions but here are my suggestions.

- Allow a choice for either old rectangular, circular and triangular (flipped 180 degrees to distinguish between asteroids) shapes. I like choice! All of these in either full shape or corners only. Why? See suggestion #2.

- Allow a shape change depending on locked/unlocked/aggressed/non-aggressed. A change in shape and colour should help the colour blind. For everyone it should make it easier to distinguish where on grid your locked target hangs out in between other targets. A shape and colour change is an improved indicator over the current overview regardless.

- Allow everyone to change box/colour settings in the overview any which way they choose and everyone will be happy. The "old" overview would just be a matter of setting everything ship related to rectangular boxes with separate colour changes for states and not ticking the view target shield/armor/hull status box.

Example : Personally I'd go for unlocked unaggressed using an open rectangular box, full rectangular box for opponent lock but not aggressed or locked by me. Open triangle for opponent who aggressed me but aren't locked by me. A circular open marker for targets I locked but who are not aggressing me and closed triangle if we're both shooting each other.

I hope the input is appreciated and will be implemented.