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This game is broken. Just lost a proteus to a dramiel shooting and disrupting me from 500km away

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#21 - 2012-10-24 01:17:22 UTC
I've cleaned up the thread of personal attacks and off topic comments. Please keep it constructive when posting, thank you.

As for that, I think it warrants a petition, as getting engaged from over 500 km away is either an exploit or a connection issue. Be sure to include that screenshot as it'll help your petition. Good luck and I hope things are cleared up properly for you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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trited
#22 - 2012-10-24 01:23:09 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
This reminds me of the time I lost a 8bil Proteus to "stop the theif" because my ship became non-responsive.


Same thing happened with a kronos in "worlds collide".

http://youtu.be/8vdlqLGgrW0
Herr Hammer Draken
#23 - 2012-10-24 01:43:03 UTC
Vulix wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
So for future reference when you have a desync like this what can you do?
Can you log out? Relog? during a battle. What would happen then?



It's like you are engaged in combat, except you are 500km away and can't do jackcrap. He had me disrupted, so logging off wouldn't do anything. Now that I think about it, I should have tried jumping through the gate they were on even though I was 500km away.


Well you died anyway and could not do anything about it. So if you did log out and logged back in at least I think the desync would be cleared and you could then shoot back as you would be what's the term "fixed" as in CCP's log would show that nothing was wrong. Because it is your client that is wrong not the server. So relogging should clear that up. Maybe you still die anyway. But at least you did something.

Unless someone has a better idea than just dying.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#24 - 2012-10-24 01:49:44 UTC
I've had nothing but grief with tech 3 ships (proteus). It would work fine until suddenly it would take damage like it was the broad side of a barn with no resists then instapop. I've had the same one refunded 3 times about 2 years ago. I posted screenshots of it with a missing subsystem and zero resists once on the help forum. Last time I used one was on Sisi. It was great for a while then all of a sudden some subsystems would refuse to load when refitting and the only way I could clear it up was to trash the ship. I filed a bug report but nothing seemed to be done about it and the report expired.

Question for the OP: Did the skill loss come right after it blew or not until after you relogged? If it didn't come until after relogging there is obviously something wrong ie. skills not applying. Thought they fixed this but doesn't appear so.

Yeeee! 
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#25 - 2012-10-24 01:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
I've lost my ship and been podded twice over the years when everything just locked up on me. Suspiciously, it's never happened any other time. Just when those two people attacked.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to find out someday there have been undetected exploits in use for some time. I wonder if CCP would even tell us, or just discretely fix it.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-10-24 02:00:09 UTC
Vulix wrote:
See screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/SKm6z.jpg

What is this CCP? I am unsubbing, my 2 year career ends today. This game is broken as **** and there are new games coming out.

You're that CAS troll, eh? I remember you :P everyone blocked you in corp chat
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2012-10-24 02:01:57 UTC
As much as I hate idiotic people posting with NPC corp forum alts that looks pretty screwed up.

Pretty sure if you petition hard enough you'll get reimbursed seeing as CCP has taken to reimbursing PVP losses as a matter of course recently.
Filestra
Republic of the Philippines
#28 - 2012-10-24 02:15:51 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
As much as I hate idiotic people posting with NPC corp forum alts that looks pretty screwed up.

Pretty sure if you petition hard enough you'll get reimbursed seeing as CCP has taken to reimbursing PVP losses as a matter of course recently.

they only reimbursed the items destroyed in your ship what about the module drop I don't think they will return it to u m8 so again CCP that's 1 hell of a very nice JOB tsk tsk tsk
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#29 - 2012-10-24 02:16:58 UTC
There is definately screwed up with that, I'm would be disappointed if CCP did not reimburse you, this is pretty clear cut that its an issue.
trited
#30 - 2012-10-24 02:20:36 UTC
Filestra wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
As much as I hate idiotic people posting with NPC corp forum alts that looks pretty screwed up.

Pretty sure if you petition hard enough you'll get reimbursed seeing as CCP has taken to reimbursing PVP losses as a matter of course recently.

they only reimbursed the items destroyed in your ship what about the module drop I don't think they will return it to u m8 so again CCP that's 1 hell of a very nice JOB tsk tsk tsk


Haha spot on, they probably wont return any dropped modules as you could have got them back by your self. In your pod..Evil

http://youtu.be/8vdlqLGgrW0
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2012-10-24 02:23:18 UTC
Looks like there is a stabber using a warp scram from over 549K on the overview and the target is 522K.

Something broke but is it to quit over?




Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#32 - 2012-10-24 02:25:36 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
This reminds me of the time I lost a 8bil Proteus to "stop the theif" because my ship became non-responsive.


It reminds me of a couple days ago when I lost my Coveyship in null to a bubble and 6 cloakers uncloaking and immediately firing the swift hammer of lag at me.

But it was probably my fault.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#33 - 2012-10-24 03:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
Hello desync

it happens all the time breh

This is one of those things I brought up in the CSM thread about how they wanted to change the voting system, and I said: "Hey, why don't y'all lobby for really really broken stuff like these overview things?"

And Alekseyev Karde was like: "What really really broken things?

Oops

.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#34 - 2012-10-24 03:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Desync happens to me frequently. It could be my six-years-old hardware, it could be my latency due to living in Australia, it could be the phase of the moon. Typical symptoms include being unable to web the ship I am orbiting because it is 80km away even though I see my ship orbiting the target at 5km, taking damage from ships which aren't shooting, etc.

So I encourage OP to repeat the EVE mantra while contemplating the meaning of loss.

I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Vulix
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-10-24 03:56:55 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Desync happens to me frequently. It could be my six-years-old hardware, it could be my latency due to living in Australia, it could be the phase of the moon. Typical symptoms Remont being able to web the ship I am orbiting because it is 80km away even though I see my ship orbiting the target at 5km, taking damage from ships which aren't shooting, etc.

So I encourage OP to repeat the EVE mantra while contemplating the meaning of loss.

I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.



I am willing to lose it, which is why I am flying it solo in null sec.

Bugs are lame though.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-10-24 04:02:18 UTC
you can't lock past 250km so anything hitting you at that range is a bug or hack, petition it.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#37 - 2012-10-24 04:33:18 UTC
Vulix wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Desync happens to me frequently. It could be my six-years-old hardware, it could be my latency due to living in Australia, it could be the phase of the moon. Typical symptoms Remont being able to web the ship I am orbiting because it is 80km away even though I see my ship orbiting the target at 5km, taking damage from ships which aren't shooting, etc.

So I encourage OP to repeat the EVE mantra while contemplating the meaning of loss.

I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.
I will not fly what I am not willing to lose.



I am willing to lose it, which is why I am flying it solo in null sec.

Bugs are lame though.


It's not so much a bug. For whatever reason your client and the server disagreed about what was really going on. Something happened in the middle to cause this, your comp lagging, you router dropping packets, your ISP dropping packets or something like that. 99% of the time there isn't much CCP can do about these. Thankfully for most people these are really rare.

The last one I had I got stuck flying in a straight line out of dodi. Through chat I was able to hear from people that I was actually warping from gate to gate and even jumping. But from my screen I was still flying from dodi, seeing people on grid over 100,000km away. The only way to solve it was to relog and when I did I was at where my friends said I was at.

In the case of your fight a quick 10 second relog probably would have done it for you.

To the rest of the idiots here (particularly Mara Rinn in this case), he was already out to PVP, he knew he was gonna lose it but is unhappy with the circumstances in which it happened.

The Drake is a Lie
Herr Hammer Draken
#38 - 2012-10-24 04:35:20 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
you can't lock past 250km so anything hitting you at that range is a bug or hack, petition it.


I can see CCP's point of view on this. If it is a desync problem then the log will not show that he was 500+ km away from the ships that attacked him. The other guys client would not have shown that they were 500+ km away either.

It is only the op's client that showed this 500+km sequence of events. From CCP's point of view they have no way of insuring that the op's computer is in good working order. In other words the fault for this desync could be the op's computer and not CCP's problem. This seems to be the position CCP has taken on these desync's in the past from replies people have recieved from CCP in the past on this issue.

Yet at the same time that position only works if this only happens once or twice. If it happens with some regular frequency and shows signs of a repeatable problem, then maybe it is in fact CCP's problem with some strange bit of code that they have not been able to track down. This second thought seems to have some validity as their are a number of others saying the same thing occured to them which makes it unlikely that all of them have bad computers. And more likely that this is a CCP problem.
Even if they can not track it from their end.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#39 - 2012-10-24 04:41:11 UTC
personally this is just lag client side, or desync as mentioned, funny thing is Each and single time i have seen it happen, it has been always with T3 ships involved which is weird, my legion, a friend legion, some tengus, your proteus. i wonder if there might be something more to it.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#40 - 2012-10-24 04:54:00 UTC
Here's my own desynch http://i.imgur.com/owdUa.png

The Drake is a Lie