EVE General Discussion

posting in a Nalt thread.



Why bother asking if you've already determined the answers for yourself, or at least how you want to propagandize them. ..oh, that's right, this is propaganda from a Nalt.

That's my new term for Null Alts btw; just in case you hadn't guessed.

My question, (not that it'll ever be answered), is, "who are you?"

Really though, lets get down to it.

Kill Highsec Mission running, destroy Highsec safety, and what will you get? You'll get a whole lot of unsubs as people move elsewhere, to other games. The server population will drop to 5-10K during Peak, Peak periods, and CCP will lose about 250K accounts over the course of a few months, or even weeks.

Just look at the population centers during peak periods onine, and where all the players are. Forcing people to play in Null so you can shoot them, blow them up is going to result in one thing. I mentioned that above.

Why? Simple answer is simple. People aren't interested in playing a game that makes them targets for players who have the means to destroy them at will. Having a safe zone to keep them from being put in that position is the only thing that keeps them playing. However safe or unsafe that zone actually is, its existence effectively allows them to control the number of encounters that result in them losing what they work to achieve.

Fact: Newer, younger players will ultimately suffer the most from changes in the direction suggested. The aquisition and retention of them, even more so. EVE is challenging enough without being forced into a position where you have to bow down to some conceited egomaniac who controls the game or face being repetatively destroyed without mercy until you do so, or quit.

Games that allow that sort of thing and provide the dynamics for it suck, badly. They allow only one group of players and personality type to enjoy them: The first egomaniacs who start playing and develop the resources to put them in the position of controlling everyone elses behaviour and gameplay.

Why would anybody want to play a game like that?

Also, anyone who says Null is unprofitable is quite obviously lying badly.

Actually it was regarding the concept of movement between regions which sparks conflict drivers. But hey read into it what you want. Having all that behind a Great Wall with intel channels a mile long reporting anyone nearby certainly wouldnt be a conflict driver seeing as nothing would get moved between regions. Using the jump freighters and freighter killmails that regularly dot evekill and battleclinic and other killboards filled with raw and processed goods from high sec or from null going to and from the market makes this an incredibly poignant source of conflict drivers. One your asking to be taken away from most null sec.

So wrong ideas and concepts seem to be your range of target acquisition and your hitting for wrecking shots.

CCP has always wanted conflict drivers and the best and clearest way has still been to move goods between the 3 zones; highsec, lowsec and nullsec. This is expressly why its always been a key function of the Eve universe to have region specific items and content to fight over and to move around to and from markets.

A step backwards away from jump freighters and jump bridges would be an interesting step to make Eve "big" and reduce the near instant traversing of the Universe through these mechanics. It would create logisitical nightmares but no greater than what it USED to be and we got along fine back then too so something tells me it wouldnt be all that bad, just different to what it is now.




Do you really think that intel channels wouldnt have spotted that roving gang several regions away and shown everyone the exit PDQ by the time it showed up and that again only the chosen idiotic few would die that disregarded the intel just as before? This would be different and produce more pew how exactly? So unless your only allowing your renters or other **** corporations the crappy intel channels anyone worth their salt will know of that gang minutes before that information is necessary to do something and were back at square one again anyway.



Again true self sufficiency in a PvP combat style game is something CCP doesnt really want as then theres no reason to trade. Trade and commerce are not only the lifeblood but the death knell of the whole system which is built on destruction through trade. To take this functioning away, for the almighty self sufficient empires of null would do more harm than good. I realize you will disagree simply because you must here. Yet think about what your really saying here regarding self sufficient null sec. No reason to trade, or go to empire, let alone low sec. No reason to interact with ANYONE not even a reason for any of the null sec blocks to fight for those regionally limited resources. Everything produced in house for what reason again? As theres no conflict anymore as your..... wait for it...... SELF SUFFICIENT now.



Anything you created it to be. It IS a sandbox after all. The only limits there are are those you place upon yourself. I made a case that it can be built, a very crude, rudimentary sketch and design, using the current tools CCP has given us as players off the top of my head. Im certain that those that live there could design much better ones. Im asking whats stopping them from doing so and calling them out on their choice verbage and quotations, nothing more nothing less.

You mean the jump freighters that undock from 4-4, jump to a lowsec cyno on a station, dock up, undock, jump to another station, and so on until they're at their destination? The only time jump freighters are actually at risk, outside of exploits, client crashes, disconnects, lag and so forth, is when they are moving goods from nullsec back into hisec, since they have to take gates through hisec.

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silly rabbit.


Why is it people like you go wandering of into some vaste wasteland of forelorn arguments that have little or nothing to do with the post you are responding to, or what is expressed in it?

Because you are so focused on arguing something from 6 months or 6 years ago, that you've forgotten that it either no longer applies, doesn't apply here, or isn't really relevent to the case at hand.


I remember that argument by the way; it's old, but not that old.

Couple things: We're talking about the removal of Highsec here; replacing it with Low and Null. Actually, that's about all that needs to be said.

So where does a new player leaving his home station for the first time in a 0,4 fit in?

Since never. That won't happen, in a million years, never.

Occasionally we get an honest glimpse at the goals of some people.

Unfortunately not enough dumb people are actually dumb enough to show up and be targets right now. So let's limit their options till they have no choice.

...said member of Goonswarm

something is wrong in this world....

This is also incorrect for a number of reasons.
1) The vast majority of resources in EVE are ultimately consumed (that is, blown up and requiring replacement) in nullsec, whether in replenishing subcap ship losses or manufacturing supercaps. So it's safe to conclude that a sizeable majority of everything mined and built in highsec is sold and moved to null, yes? Despite this vast outsourcing of industry to highsec, yesterday a total of one jump freighter of someone's personal belongings was ganked in highsec. Contrast that one jump freighter's cargo bay (of non-alliance resources) with the vast produce highsec collectively outputs every day that winds up you know where and the absurdity of saying the amount of null logistics freighters lost in highsec is 'poignant' is clear. If the loss vs. success ratio to highsec freighter alts was anything beyond laughably infintesimal, people would bother to, you know, actually protect them. If the justification for keeping nullsec industry gimped is because it provides "conflict" in highsec, well it's time to scrap it because it has completely and utterly failed to deliver.


2) Suicide ganking, the main source of freighter loss in highsec, doesn't even really qualify as 'conflict'. It's an easily avoided violation of a ratio between value of cargo x2 (because of binary loot drop odds) vs. value of ships CONCORDed committing the gank. The act itself no more a 'confict driver' then fitting a small armor rep to a battleship is a 'conflict driver'.

If you dont like High Sec then dont go there its that simple. Oh wait you want to force people to play the game how you want to play well F U now go jerk off in your empty Null Sec.