Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Are you serious?

What you're basically saying here is that if you knew for SURE that the red in system was at their computer you'd go back to confidently 'gather resources' while he watched you waiting for a chance to strike. Meanwhile if someone is AFK cloaked you're going to log off and complain on the forums that you can't undock safely in nullsec?

You're effectively saying that you are not concerned about a KNOWN AND CERTAIN threat while a big question mark on what is likely an AFK buzzard causes you to run screaming to the hills. I can't be the only one who doesn't believe you, that statement doesn't make any sense at all.

I can think of one reason not to stop AFK cloakers just off the top of my head. I've been roaming with a gang for a couple hours and people want to take a break but we've been in combat in the past 15 minutes and there's another gang we can't fight roaming around so we decide to take a break for about a half hour. We're not going to log off our ships would stay in space and be far too easy prey for that other gang should they scan them down. We're in a system that has no stations or will deny us docking rights, the only practical solution is to safe up and cloak and continue on when everyone is back. Roams can last several hours and it's unreasonable to expect that no one in your group will ever need to leave their computer in that time. Therefore, it is also unreasonable to expect them to sacrifice their ship if something comes up. AFK cloaking stays.

EDIT: correction in language for clarity.

I am going to say this again like I do on all the people who think Cloaking is OP. Have you seen the attack power of a cloaked ship? If you have you would know that Most Cloaked ships have **** DPS. Or **** EHP. So your only advantage is being invisible.

Now for the other people who want to stop AFK cloaking. Let me put this up for you to think about. If there is no AFK cloaking then there would be no point in cloaking. Because I can be actively hunting you down in a system, but if you have a way to find me or scan me down you will be able to figure out if I am active Or if I am AFK without getting to me. Example. If you can scan to find me, then when you scan and see a sig on you scanner, then you scan again and I am gone. You know I am active, so you will do what everyone who is scared of cloaking ships do. Docks or stays in a POS. If there is a timer on how long you can stay cloaked or a fuel, You will know if I am actively looking for you because I wouldn't be able to stay cloaked all day. So to put it shortly

Don't fix something that is not broken. If you want to keep a cloaking ship from killing you it is simple. Fly a ship that a cloaking ship won't be able to destroy you before you destroy it.

goodnight, and stop posting Threads on ones that already exist. Thank you.

Booting people after 15 mins would work...

Or they can flip over their optical mouse and put a hair on the sensor, makes it read erratically but it looks like someone is there. And yes I can go 30 mins with out using the keyboard when I am mining.

Still laughing about this one.

Just read my sig below...

no thats not what i am saying at all. i think its bullshit that a ship cannot be found. how the hell does it make sence to be able to find a ship AFTER SOMEONE LOGS and not be able to find them while they are logged in? im also not implying that life is cherry when theres a hostile around if i know he is at his keyboard of course not. and all this dumb non sence about "do you know how much dps and EHP a claok ship has BLAHBLAH" i mean really guys? i wont dignify that with a responce. and about your "roam theaory" about pausing to take a **** and cloaking up. hey man thats cool. take a ****. hell take your dog out. theres a difference of the ability to do that then to sit in a system for 23 1/2 hours a day and be inactive. and for anyone who says "afk cloakers dont stop me from" your full of ****. why should someone force me out of my sov systems because they can cloak up and hide the whole friggin day? i wouldnt mind the cloaked ships in system knowing he has to be at his keyboard to avoid being found and he actually has to be doing something. tell me why when a ship that has agression logs it can be found with the account being completly disconnected from eves server within 15 min. but a hostile with a cloak can sit for 24 hours a day not be near his computer and never be found?

1.> You are in null or low sec. If you cannot defend your area by fighting off opponents, you must deal with the consequences.
Fair and balanced does not subscribe to any one play style, so the idea people need to play a certain way is false.

2.> "AFK Cloaking" is a counter to the flawless and constant intel being provided by Local Chat. Local Chat already gives the opponents of cloaked vessels an over powered advantage by advertising them. You may be used to Local Chat providing this service, but this never justifies the crippling effect it has on an entire branch of play styles.

3.> Due to cloaking already being crippled by this, it is obviously unbalanced to further diminish this play style by permitting both perfect presence awareness and the ability to locate and destroy the cloaked ships. It trivializes cloaking to beyond broken, and demonstrates those requesting it to be attempting to force others to play according to their play style.

heres an idea.


how about this. once a ship enters local it appears in local chat as usual. once that ship is cloaked is dissapears from local but in return it can be scanned down like any other ship in game can. once probed, the ship can be warped to, locked on to, and blown up.


no more afks.

and no more QQ IM IN LOCAL.



im sure the cloakers will say they dont want to appear in local. ever. they just want to decloak right next to you scram you cyno you kill you and laugh because theyre cool. then training anything else but warpy cloaky ships is just dumb and eve becomes a game no one will want to play.

Yeah, sure. That's all. We just do it to hotdrop things and laugh about how good we are.

Cynoing is a different issue. The hotdrop mechanics, if you ask me, are screwed up, but that's a different discussion for a different thread.

But all we want is a comprimise. You think cloaking is the redheaded stepchild, and it should be beaten into the dirt.

We would just like you to have to show some effort to know that the cloaked vessel is there. As it is, you ***** and whine about how unfair it is, and you want a free win against cloaking ships.

If you have to work to find the cloaked vessel, alright. It's fair, it's balanced, and you no longer have instawin intel. Fair enough. Local is bad enough even without showing cloaked ships. It's that thing I check before I undock, before I ever engage something, before I jump, hell, I check it between breaths, because why wouldn't I? I can get free intel. And if I have a few 1 day old alts on other accounts, I can have them in all the neighboring systems just sitting around giving me free intel in there too.

Honestly, I'd like to see local nerfed overall. But I'm willing to work with baby steps.

I think I remember someone earlier in this thread (or maybe just one of the others, these pop up a lot) saying something like "WH's don't count, since you're safer because you'll always be fleeted up with friends."

And I think there might have been something about no hotdrops in WH's, somewhere in there too. I wonder what a cyno jammer is...

I found that quite amusing to hear. What prevents nullbears from doing that?

local needs no Null

figure it out