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The Nation and the Sani Sabik....
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Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-22 21:37:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gussarde en Welle
Bonified threats to galactic advancement or pitiful caracitures of recidivism towards long-forgotten and outmoded stages of human evolution?

When the Hound hears the Charisoco scream, he comes a' runnin'....but not to help.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-23 01:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Perceived or actual threats, I guess that depends on your view of their capabilities. When Nation first returned they were given a very high threat assessment given the lack of intel from the time Sansha went into hiding till his reappearance. As far as Sani Sabik goes, I have no idea what to think of them. I've seen the occasional comms traffic here but I'm not up to speed on their motives.

Its my belief that no matter how much we advance/evolve there will be certain base behaviors that will remain. Such behaviors are needed to keep us aware of threats to ourselves even if they are just perceived.
Salena Ashera
#3 - 2012-10-23 03:57:45 UTC
The Sani Sabik, are largely toothless groups, only the blood raiders hold anything approaching a danger.

Nation has been attacking the cluster for more then a year now, nothing has changed except the swelling accounts of capsuleers so unless he plans on fighting a legion of officer mod equipped capsuleers in some deranged suicide attempt; they pose no real threat to anything but the populations they infest with nanides and abduct.

Though it's not like they'd care about this, or anything else for long anyway, since only Kuvakei has an independent thought in his head after all.
The two of them are old relics of by gone eras, hardly something we need to panic about.

Salena Ashera; Shandian Lu clan Mystic.
Roga Dracor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-23 11:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Take care that you do not become distracted by the glitter of Aurum. It's bright, diversive appeal can unhinge the mind from the auspices of truth and lead to suggestibility and stupor.

It feeds neither the mind nor the heart, and leads to the atrophy of both.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#5 - 2012-10-23 12:54:02 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Bonified threats to galactic advancement or pitiful caracitures of recidivism towards long-forgotten and outmoded stages of human evolution?

When the Hound hears the Charisoco scream, he comes a' runnin'....but not to help.


Ahahaha

Oh dear. I'm not even sure I can answer this seriously. Give me a few hours to stop laughing, and I will see what I can do.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-10-23 13:05:52 UTC
Sani Sabik and members of The Covenant are two similar though completely different sects of the same faith

For more information please refer to one of my previous threads for information: Blood and Faith

And peoples views on the Blood Raiders usually boil down to shady half truths and government misinformation, first hand survivors are not in abundance.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-10-25 06:58:54 UTC
It seems this has to be pointed out to each and every pilot at least fourteen times.

All members of the Blood Raider Covenant are Sani Sabik, but not all of the Sani Sabik are members of the Blood Raider Covenant.


The vast majority of Sani Sabik cults are relatively harmless. The traditions and rituals practiced by the less violent cults range the spectrum from two people pricking their fingers and pressing them together, to the use of carefully designed and practiced movements or devices that bleed a person in a exceedingly controlled fashion that is decidedly nonlethal and entirely voluntary. There are plenty Sani Sabik in the Federation, likely more than there are in the Empire, who practice their religion without hurting anyone any more than they are willing to consent to be harmed.

My point being, if you are going to suggest the whole of the Sani Sabik are a threat to humanity then you are also going to have to consider every religion within the Federation the same sort of generalized and ignorant threat. Now, if you are actually an atheist, that is all well and good, but perhaps you should make more of an effort to understand something before suggesting it is a threat to all of humanity.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-25 07:13:26 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
It seems this has to be pointed out to each and every pilot at least fourteen times.

All members of the Blood Raider Covenant are Sani Sabik, but not all of the Sani Sabik are members of the Blood Raider Covenant.


The vast majority of Sani Sabik cults are relatively harmless. The traditions and rituals practiced by the less violent cults range the spectrum from two people pricking their fingers and pressing them together, to the use of carefully designed and practiced movements or devices that bleed a person in a exceedingly controlled fashion that is decidedly nonlethal and entirely voluntary. There are plenty Sani Sabik in the Federation, likely more than there are in the Empire, who practice their religion without hurting anyone any more than they are willing to consent to be harmed.

My point being, if you are going to suggest the whole of the Sani Sabik are a threat to humanity then you are also going to have to consider every religion within the Federation the same sort of generalized and ignorant threat. Now, if you are actually an atheist, that is all well and good, but perhaps you should make more of an effort to understand something before suggesting it is a threat to all of humanity.


I think it's been pointed out at least fourteen times on this thread. I'm not talking about Sabik ideology, I'm talking about Sabik practice.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-10-25 07:54:06 UTC
Sabik practice? Of what?

Setting aside the Blood Raiders you end up with spiritual practices that are rather similar to many other faith groups.

Is a dab of blood on the forehead, taken from a perfectly willing and unharmed person, somehow detrimental?
Is a dab of water on the forehead, taken from a sanctified spring or pool, somehow detrimental?
Is a whiff of incense, the passing around of a symbolic object, the reverent prayer, the exultant song, the peaceful meditation, somehow a threat to "advancement?"
Is ritualized movement, from bowing, to clapping, to embracing, to stretching, to dancing, to reenacted combat, some sort of shackle slowing personal, communal, or societal progress?

I will admit that militant extremists among the Sani Sabik can and do harm others, but the same can be said for extremists in any faith group, and further in any social, political, or economic association.