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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-10-23 09:25:00 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Way to ninja edit.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Never been to 0.0.


^^ this had a QUESTION mark querying the POSTER.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2073264#post2073264

Where's the questionmark?

Touval Lysander wrote:
Also. Never made Maelstroms. What I said is we ADAPTED and used our POS's to produce instead of WHINING about lack of slots.

We've adapted, too. We import from Jita. We'd prefer it if that wasn't the preferred way of doing things, however, so we're pointing out what we think CCP should do something about.

Touval Lysander wrote:
If ya gonna shitpoast and least make it ******* believable. Can't win a ******* argument so just lie instead. JFC.... Roll

Where is this lie you're talking about?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#62 - 2012-10-23 09:31:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
In another thread he claims he's setup an industry pos in nullsec that magically makes Maelstroms cheaper to produce in null than to say ... import.

And he claimed he could make things cheaper in hisec in a POS than I could in a station, too. I've absolutely no idea how, but there you go. vOv

Because you won't do math ya moron.

If my POS generates POSITIVE income (a POS which I would NOT normally operate - moongoo is purely run as an OFFSET) then I am making **** for BETTER than free WITH the inbuilt convenience of LOCAL production which ALSO has a saving.

You guys need to learn about working SMARTER. You CAN setup an offset cost POS, produce AND put your stuff on the market for LESS... Or you can whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine.And whine.

It explains why YOU need to do your indy in highsec and have CCP hold yer hand.

Even SMARTER cowboy. Setup a moongoo POS AND produce in highsec. EVEN CHEAPER. Or you can whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine.

Do the math or stfu.

Thought for the day: Goons have gone soft, full of whiney carebears posing as 0.0 tough guys. They used to be worthy adversaries. Now they're all sooks. Worse than miners.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-10-23 09:32:18 UTC
New and exciting topic!






Either anyone is AFK, then why bother? Or he isn't afk, then you should be careful. So:

  • Cloaking: working as intended
  • being AFK: still not prohibited


Also this

Obsidian Hawk wrote:
In the 6 years i have been playing this game...... WHY WONT THIS THREAD EVER GO AWAY??



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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#64 - 2012-10-23 09:33:07 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:
If ya gonna shitpoast and least make it ******* believable. Can't win a ******* argument so just lie instead. JFC.... Roll

Where is this lie you're talking about?

You spoke.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-10-23 09:43:00 UTC
Oh, that's just precious.

Touval Lysander wrote:
You guys need to learn about working SMARTER.

1) Must haul minerals from hisec, or must spend majority of month mining ore, hauling to station, refine, haul to POS
2) Must haul fuel/fuel ingredients from hisec, or must spend majority of month mining ice, hauling to station, refine, haul to POS, make into fuel blocks
3) Barely makes enough selling moongoo to cover fuel
4) still has **** capacity, needs POS roles, has theft issues and doesn't scale as well as hisec does
basically spend a majority of the month doing boring things

vs
1) buy minerals in jita
2) haul a couple of jumps
3) build maelstrom at 2k/unit buildcost
4) jump to market
basically spend a few hours every month building and shipping things, and leaving the rest of the month free to do other, more lucrative things or *gasp* go outside and enjoying nature.

Working smarter, indeed.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:
If ya gonna shitpoast and least make it ******* believable. Can't win a ******* argument so just lie instead. JFC.... Roll

Where is this lie you're talking about?

You spoke.

So you got nothing, then.

Okay then. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#66 - 2012-10-23 09:43:28 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:
Also. Never made Maelstroms. What I said is we ADAPTED and used our POS's to produce instead of WHINING about lack of slots.

We've adapted, too. We import from Jita. We'd prefer it if that wasn't the preferred way of doing things, however, so we're pointing out what we think CCP should do something about.

Nope. Mittani wants CCP to change it because he's scared his sheep are looking for easier pastures. Like all good sheep, you follow the leader and baa appropriately.

Go on space hero. Point everyone to MITTENS RANT DOT CON about his highsec needs a nerf post and let's discuss.

He/You/They/It MUST change highsec because you're hoping everyone will trundle back to 0.0 so you've got targets. Why?

Because you've killed/squashed/evicted the 0.0 competition and you're bored. <<< the REAL problem with Goonsville 0.0.

Nah. Let's **** highsec too because Mittens said so.


"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-10-23 10:03:40 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:
Also. Never made Maelstroms. What I said is we ADAPTED and used our POS's to produce instead of WHINING about lack of slots.

We've adapted, too. We import from Jita. We'd prefer it if that wasn't the preferred way of doing things, however, so we're pointing out what we think CCP should do something about.

Nope. Mittani wants CCP to change it because he's scared his sheep are looking for easier pastures. Like all good sheep, you follow the leader and baa appropriately.

Go on space hero. Point everyone to MITTENS RANT DOT CON about his highsec needs a nerf post and let's discuss.

He/You/They/It MUST change highsec because you're hoping everyone will trundle back to 0.0 so you've got targets. Why?

Because you've killed/squashed/evicted the 0.0 competition and you're bored. <<< the REAL problem with Goonsville 0.0.

Nah. Let's **** highsec too because Mittens said so.

So what you're saying is, because a goon is talking about reasonable ways to improve eve, which would make eve better for everyone, it's bad?

I mean, I know you're not exactly fond of goons, but I think you're beginning to let the hate take over.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-10-23 11:30:49 UTC
Goonie tears detected.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-10-23 11:33:06 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Goonie tears detected.

Touval's not a goon.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-10-23 11:38:26 UTC
I quite honestly don't understand why people complain about AFK cloaking. If someone is AFK, he's not exactly an immediate threat, whether he's cloaked or not. He does, however, become a threat the moment he isn't AFK anymore.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-10-23 12:31:54 UTC
the concern, i believe, is how to tell if someone who is cloaked is afk or not
Wolf Kruol
1st Tikiona Lancers
Citizen's Star Republic
#72 - 2012-10-23 12:36:02 UTC
I'm still waiting for CCP to deliver there cloaky hunter ships. They could make it simpler with special probes to hunt down cloaky ships.

Still would be more fun to have ships designed to hunt down cloakers..

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-10-23 12:37:56 UTC
Klymer wrote:
the concern, i believe, is how to tell if someone who is cloaked is afk or not


hotdropped ?

he wasn't afk
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-10-23 12:43:45 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Klymer wrote:
the concern, i believe, is how to tell if someone who is cloaked is afk or not


hotdropped ?

he wasn't afk


if no cyno shows....

he wasn't afk aswell.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Xiode
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2012-10-23 13:08:30 UTC
What is this "cloak" you are talking about and where can I get it?
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-10-23 13:24:41 UTC
Xiode wrote:
What is this "cloak" you are talking about and where can I get it?


Market

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Signal11th
#77 - 2012-10-23 14:55:15 UTC
Klymer wrote:
the concern, i believe, is how to tell if someone who is cloaked is afk or not



More likely it's the concern of "Can I rat or not" is more likely as if you're not ratting it doesn;t matter.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2012-10-24 00:33:55 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Klymer wrote:
the concern, i believe, is how to tell if someone who is cloaked is afk or not

More likely it's the concern of "Can I rat or not" is more likely as if you're not ratting it doesn;t matter.

I was showing my titan off to some newbies.

In the belt, yes, why do you ask?

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-10-24 00:44:31 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
In another thread he claims he's setup an industry pos in nullsec that magically makes Maelstroms cheaper to produce in null than to say ... import.

And he claimed he could make things cheaper in hisec in a POS than I could in a station, too. I've absolutely no idea how, but there you go. vOv

Because you won't do math ya moron.

If my POS generates POSITIVE income (a POS which I would NOT normally operate - moongoo is purely run as an OFFSET) then I am making **** for BETTER than free WITH the inbuilt convenience of LOCAL production which ALSO has a saving.

You guys need to learn about working SMARTER. You CAN setup an offset cost POS, produce AND put your stuff on the market for LESS... Or you can whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine.And whine.

It explains why YOU need to do your indy in highsec and have CCP hold yer hand.

Even SMARTER cowboy. Setup a moongoo POS AND produce in highsec. EVEN CHEAPER. Or you can whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine. And whine.

Do the math or stfu.

Thought for the day: Goons have gone soft, full of whiney carebears posing as 0.0 tough guys. They used to be worthy adversaries. Now they're all sooks. Worse than miners.



So your time is worth nothing? Considering I can rat up a maelstrom every 2 hours and have it imported by the end of the day in under five minutes I'm pretty sure it's not our math that sucks.
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#80 - 2012-10-24 00:50:39 UTC
I don't normally AFK

but when I do, I'm cloaked.

Pras Phil.