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ROFL CCP is going to fast-forward the changes no LP dump
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Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-10-23 11:36:07 UTC
Commissar Veldt wrote:
The majority of the other Gallente systems are already plexed soooo far into vulnerable by all the farmers that they will struggle to de-contest them before we can work our way from system to system busting bunkers.


There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no?

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#62 - 2012-10-23 11:44:58 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no?


There is nothing indicating there would a "cap" on how deeply the system can be vulnerable, only that no LP will be gained. However, if CCP does implement system like that it should show witout shadow of a doubt their bias for gallente/minmatar that not only they rob Amarr/Caldari their chance for LP dump, they will also definetely cement them for eternal dominance of FW since they wil continue to attract all farmers due to ease of defensive plexing lp.
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-10-23 11:53:29 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no?


There is nothing indicating there would a "cap" on how deeply the system can be vulnerable, only that no LP will be gained. However, if CCP does implement system like that it should show witout shadow of a doubt their bias for gallente/minmatar that not only they rob Amarr/Caldari their chance for LP dump, they will also definetely cement them for eternal dominance of FW since they wil continue to attract all farmers due to ease of defensive plexing lp.


CCP Ytterbium wrote:
WINTER ITERATIONS

* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs.


Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#64 - 2012-10-23 12:01:17 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.


So it seems CCP decided to screw Amarr/Caldari over completely in the pooch by not only preventing them from doing lp dump, staging a potential comeback but they also decided to give the "white hats" ownershisp of all systems in the warzone until end of time.

I quess Hans must have a massive e.ection now as he boasted in militia chat how "he fixed everything for minmatar militia and FW". The "fix" is there for everyone to see. I assume most people will now quit FW in disgust.
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#65 - 2012-10-23 12:31:54 UTC
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-10-23 12:33:45 UTC
Now we will all have to cash out at the same price as all other LP stores in the game! Woe is us! Reduced from the ranks of the filthy rich to the wastelands of the merely wealthy! Now how will we be able to form fleets of faction ships without thinking twice about cost?! Alas! Alas!
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#67 - 2012-10-23 12:57:03 UTC
I think the fast-forward is a very clever move of CCP.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#68 - 2012-10-23 13:18:57 UTC
does it mean ... i will find vulnerable backroads system ... have 2 alts ... 1 gal + 1 caldari.

run plex to drop it vulnerable. defend it to get it back to contested .... repeat so many times u get bored. Killing rats ... no biggie I can shoot them with my main (even the caldari one as my standing is massively high).

Is it going to work or am I missing something?
Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-10-23 13:19:07 UTC
Is Mjolnir Gost a Domar Rocarion alt?

And boom goes the dynamite.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#70 - 2012-10-23 13:19:55 UTC
Meditril wrote:
I think the fast-forward is a very clever move of CCP.



CCP FW guys are very clever Frog/Slave lovers ...
David Campbell
Primas Custos
#71 - 2012-10-23 13:22:45 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
WINTER ITERATIONS

* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs.


Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.


Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-10-23 13:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Pirate Pete
Hidden Snake wrote:
does it mean ... i will find vulnerable backroads system ... have 2 alts ... 1 gal + 1 caldari.

run plex to drop it vulnerable. defend it to get it back to contested .... repeat so many times u get bored. Killing rats ... no biggie I can shoot them with my main (even the caldari one as my standing is massively high).

Is it going to work or am I missing something?





You now have to be able to kill the rats, so no more gunless speed tanking merlins. So yes, you can. But you will have to bring something big enough to kill the bigger rats in the mediums/majors reasonably fast, or the rats'll blob you. And if you bring something big enough running away will get harder ;)
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-10-23 13:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Zheketri
David Campbell wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
WINTER ITERATIONS

* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs.


Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.


Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you.


Considering that the relevant post by CCP Ytterbium ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865085#post1865085 ) is referenced in CCP Fozzie's DevBlog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73491 ) as the FW iterations that will be fast-forwarded to Oct. 23 it seems part and parcel of the patch.

If it is omitted from the patch then that would be interesting as Ytterbium has it bundled so neatly with the other changes.

I suppose some poor fellow is going to have to defensive plex a "deep system" to verify the matter.

Edit: Seems Fozzie just answered this question
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quick note for those who are defensive plexing across the warzones right now. As part of the patch today we took every system that had more than 4000 VPs worth of vulnerability (>133%) and set them to 4000 VPs.

We are planning to implement a cap on the number of VPs past vulnerable a system can collect, but that was not ready to deploy quite yet.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
David Campbell
Primas Custos
#74 - 2012-10-23 13:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: David Campbell
I haven't found such a change in the patch notes : http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp.

Dev Blog wrote:
The rest of the plan as described in the F&I threads linked above and below is still in our backlog, and we will be working with the goal of getting as many of those changes as possible delivered to you by Dec 4th.


And since it's not directly discussed in the devblog, I took the above statement as a soon(tm). I guess the only way to know fore sure is to get out there.

EDIT :

I just found this : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2083909#post2083909

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quick note for those who are defensive plexing across the warzones right now. As part of the patch today we took every system that had more than 4000 VPs worth of vulnerability (>133%) and set them to 4000 VPs.

We are planning to implement a cap on the number of VPs past vulnerable a system can collect, but that was not ready to deploy quite yet.


I guess it answers our question
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-10-23 14:01:22 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
David Campbell wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
WINTER ITERATIONS

* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs.


Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.


Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you.


Considering that the relevant post by CCP Ytterbium ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865085#post1865085 ) is referenced in CCP Fozzie's DevBlog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73491 ) as the FW iterations that will be fast-forwarded to Oct. 23 it seems part and parcel of the patch.

If it is omitted from the patch then that would be interesting as Ytterbium has it bundled so neatly with the other changes.

I suppose some poor fellow is going to have to defensive plex a "deep system" to verify the matter.

Edit: Seems Fozzie just answered this question
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quick note for those who are defensive plexing across the warzones right now. As part of the patch today we took every system that had more than 4000 VPs worth of vulnerability (>133%) and set them to 4000 VPs.

We are planning to implement a cap on the number of VPs past vulnerable a system can collect, but that was not ready to deploy quite yet.


Relevent link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2083952#post2083952

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
David Campbell
Primas Custos
#76 - 2012-10-23 14:04:42 UTC
lol, I guess I should also actualize my browser before making an edit
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-10-23 14:12:54 UTC
It pretty much popped up as I was reading the last post in that thread.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#78 - 2012-10-23 15:02:00 UTC
Killing the Navy NPCs to capture plexes is more than four years overdue. I guess good things do come to those who wait, and wait, and wait.... :)

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Alice Krysta
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#79 - 2012-10-23 15:08:18 UTC
Message recieved from defensive major plex:

Loyalty points awarded for militia effort
From: State Protectorate
Sent: 2012.10.23 14:52

[no label: Notifications/FacWar/bodyLPDungeonDefensivePayout]


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Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#80 - 2012-10-23 15:17:54 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
This thread. It has potential. Bump

BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones


So basically you just admitted it was Gallente planned, primarily. One Caldari rep...

Nice.

It's all good, I like the changes at the end of the day. Don't misunderstand me. It was the acceleration of the change that was dissapointing. We will continue capping systems and will reach our highest possible tier status within a short time. Big smile

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually.