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Case Study: Ice Fields: High Sec vs Low Sec
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#41 - 2012-10-23 11:14:07 UTC
My fat, juicy wallet would beg to differ that ICE isn't profitable. Blink
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#42 - 2012-10-23 11:16:23 UTC


All I've got from this thread so far is that the GRRR GOOONS! are doing ice miners a favour by raising prices.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#43 - 2012-10-23 11:22:21 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


All I've got from this thread so far is that the GRRR GOOONS! are doing ice miners a favour by raising prices.

sort of yes ,, and the ones who are smart will make a killerprofit

try and see it as natural selection

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#44 - 2012-10-23 11:25:04 UTC
Ice only in losec????

Nobody in their right mind is going mine ice in losec, and even if a very few do with the support of a dozen tengus or something, sitting there doing nothing but "protecting", White Glaze prices will skyrocket through 10 million per block or something; Eve becomes broken.

Ice mining in losec is suicide, no miner logs in to commit suicide.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#45 - 2012-10-23 11:30:49 UTC
Simply moving all/most mining to gravimetric sites will put some thinking/elbow grease back into the activity.

Note that the easier an activity is, the less ISK/hr you'll make from it (in general, FW plex exploitation not included).

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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-10-23 12:45:05 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Ice only in losec????

Nobody in their right mind is going mine ice in losec, and even if a very few do with the support of a dozen tengus or something, sitting there doing nothing but "protecting", White Glaze prices will skyrocket through 10 million per block or something; Eve becomes broken.

Ice mining in losec is suicide, no miner logs in to commit suicide.


This. Let the miners mine. Don't force your want for more killmails on them.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#47 - 2012-10-23 13:05:42 UTC
There should be no such thing as static ice.

Arguably ice shouldn't be in hisec either.

More ice in low, null and wormholes, but not in the form it's in now.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#48 - 2012-10-23 13:26:28 UTC
More grav sites with comet scraps and gas everywhere! Big smile

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-23 13:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Plaude Pollard
James 315 wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Disclaimer: I respectfully request that this topic be discussed with all seriousness with no trolling or harassment.

Request denied.

The whole "ice in highsec" thing must be regarded as a failed experiment. Let's get those ice fields out of highsec and into low/null right away. Smile

Why are you against High-sec Ice Fields? If CCP removes them, the New Order would serve no purpose...

I'm not saying Ice belongs in High-sec. Just asking a simple question.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#50 - 2012-10-23 14:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
ICE is profitable. The amount of players sucking on ice cubes every day proves that. But most of them they are AFK. It's not likely too many of them are bots, simply because that's not necessary if you only have to check in every 45 minutes or so.

A problem though, is that there is no way to make more money by actually paying attention or being a 'better' miner. But perhaps the roid mining business should be changed to be come profitable 'active mining', leaving ice mining for the AFK people that are just looking to make a few million isk/hour while doing their homework or browsing porn.

It really shouldn't be hard for CCP to remove the static belts, make gravimetric belts respawn everywhere across regions (chance modified by security level and regional differences) and increase the despawn timer of gravimetric sites to a month.

This will introduce regional scarcity with incentives to go into more desolate and dangerous systems. It will make roid mining also the profession of choice for 'active' miners where player skill in running a more complex or dangerous mining op actually pays out.

To make sure the economy won't suffer due to the decrease in people mining roids, this should be balanced by a major increase of mining yield.

Result: fewer miners, but each earning a LOT more ISK/hour, yet all miners together still supply the same amount of minerals to the economy so the prices will the comparable to now. The higher ISK/hour (this might actually rise to something like 80M/hour for low-ends), will mean it starts to be worth taking risks. Risks that bots will not take.

A galaxy-wide respawn of gravimetric sites with a despawn timer of (at least) a month will also have some other likely effects in null and W-space where at some point true 'jackpot' systems will form with many dozens of high-value gravimetric sites, creating systems actually worth fighting over.

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-10-23 15:07:09 UTC
Plaude Pollard wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Disclaimer: I respectfully request that this topic be discussed with all seriousness with no trolling or harassment.

Request denied.

The whole "ice in highsec" thing must be regarded as a failed experiment. Let's get those ice fields out of highsec and into low/null right away. Smile

Why are you against High-sec Ice Fields? If CCP removes them, the New Order would serve no purpose...

I'm not saying Ice belongs in High-sec. Just asking a simple question.

Because he is a goon and they need all of the valuable resources only in their yard to cover the costly war effort expenses, it's really not rocket science to understand that.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-10-23 15:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
The question is does a majority of ICe go to Null.
IF the answer is yes then based on the distribution of ICE consumed in a POS only one thing needs to be changed.

Double faction Ice output from 350 to 700 in Null space.
And perhaps add it to one of the scannable sites in null.
The small would be a good one, unless there are people that really enjoy mining that SPOD (ie replace that rock for ICE) Smile

As far as ICe being a problem in high-sec, why ?
That is like saying Veldspar is a Problem in high-sec.

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