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CCP reimburses player for atron loss because 20 accts?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2012-10-23 03:16:02 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:


Your post reads like your avatar looks
As per post #20 that is an off topic remark and should be removed.

First off, that's on the previous page so it doesn't count.

Secondly, you're offensive and should be removed.

Also your post is off topic so I win

*edit: ok I failed at quoting and I changed it so much I can't fix it now. Screw all of you! Evil
Reported for continually posting off topic and making personal attacks.

Stop clogging up the report system with fluff.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#42 - 2012-10-23 03:19:04 UTC
Kai Sheia wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Kai Sheia wrote:
am I the only one who suspects this is evidence of "API Verified" being not necessarily reliable?

I mean am I misreading it or does that kill-mail seem to be saying that the "victim" dropped THREE Hulk BPO's?

maybe I'm just too skeptical, but "API Verified" or not, I just can't imagine anyone being dumb enough for that KM to be real.


You can't really argue with 'API verified' however, eve-kill is not reliable at recognizing BPO's. Or even staying online lately. For those bitching about the story- it's one of the largest loss-mails in recent times and the dude was interviewed for the story.

The tale of ~reimbursement~ was HIS claim, not something the story was putting forth as factual.


.... yeah, not gonna put any faith in a goon-originated story to start with.

the unreliability of killmail sites at recognizing BPO's VS BPC's, I can totally buy, and it makes it slightly more reasonable.

but I am still a bit skeptical, I am not sure the level of my "faith in humanity" will allow me to buy that someone would be that stupid or frivolous. ... though this is EVE....

As to the unreliability of kill board sites, consider this.

In the linked killmail the Atron has the slot layout of a rookie ship.
On the BattleClinic site it has the current correct slot layout for an Atron.
Both are API verified.

I checked my personal kills/losses on the first site (EVEKills) and it does indeed know how many slots an Atron is supposed to have.

In other words, I believe I believe it is entirely possible someone has found a way to fake API verified kill mails.

There could easily be another explanation, but I believe this bears looking into.

As for the pilot being reimbursed.... not bloody likely. Smile

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-10-23 03:20:41 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:


Your post reads like your avatar looks
As per post #20 that is an off topic remark and should be removed.

First off, that's on the previous page so it doesn't count.

Secondly, you're offensive and should be removed.

Also your post is off topic so I win

*edit: ok I failed at quoting and I changed it so much I can't fix it now. Screw all of you! Evil
Reported for continually posting off topic and making personal attacks.


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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2012-10-23 03:21:38 UTC
Christopher Scott wrote:
Genuine question: If a player has their account hacked, and the hacker is responsible for the player losing all their stuff, will CCP reimburse the loss?

Because I can't think of any other possible way CCP would offer a reimbursement. I don't think they even reimburse losses from hacked accounts, but I might be wrong. Does somebody know the answer?

Typically, if an account is hacked the only thing reimbursed is the ISK loss. Items lost (in whatever fashion) are not reimbursed with ISK or replaced.

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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#45 - 2012-10-23 03:22:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Stop clogging up the report system with fluff.
ignoring the direct instruction of an ISD and making personal attacks in violation of the forum rules is not 'fluff'.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-10-23 03:24:42 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Stop clogging up the report system with fluff.
ignoring the direct instruction of an ISD and making personal attacks in violation of the forum rules is not 'fluff'.

So its good that never happened.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-10-23 03:24:56 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Stop clogging up the report system with fluff.
ignoring the direct instruction of an ISD and making personal attacks in violation of the forum rules is not 'fluff'.


I am very offended by your corp name, that is a personal attack because I feel very old

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2012-10-23 03:28:23 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Christopher Scott wrote:
Genuine question: If a player has their account hacked, and the hacker is responsible for the player losing all their stuff, will CCP reimburse the loss?

Because I can't think of any other possible way CCP would offer a reimbursement. I don't think they even reimburse losses from hacked accounts, but I might be wrong. Does somebody know the answer?

Typically, if an account is hacked the only thing reimbursed is the ISK loss. Items lost (in whatever fashion) are not reimbursed with ISK or replaced.

They do give ships back though so if he did get lucky he has his atron back:-D
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#49 - 2012-10-23 03:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kai Sheia wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Kai Sheia wrote:
am I the only one who suspects this is evidence of "API Verified" being not necessarily reliable?

I mean am I misreading it or does that kill-mail seem to be saying that the "victim" dropped THREE Hulk BPO's?

maybe I'm just too skeptical, but "API Verified" or not, I just can't imagine anyone being dumb enough for that KM to be real.


You can't really argue with 'API verified' however, eve-kill is not reliable at recognizing BPO's. Or even staying online lately. For those bitching about the story- it's one of the largest loss-mails in recent times and the dude was interviewed for the story.

The tale of ~reimbursement~ was HIS claim, not something the story was putting forth as factual.


.... yeah, not gonna put any faith in a goon-originated story to start with.

the unreliability of killmail sites at recognizing BPO's VS BPC's, I can totally buy, and it makes it slightly more reasonable.

but I am still a bit skeptical, I am not sure the level of my "faith in humanity" will allow me to buy that someone would be that stupid or frivolous. ... though this is EVE....

As to the unreliability of kill board sites, consider this.

In the linked killmail the Atron has the slot layout of a rookie ship.
On the BattleClinic site it has the current correct slot layout for an Atron.
Both are API verified.

I checked my personal kills/losses on the first site (EVEKills) and it does indeed know how many slots an Atron is supposed to have.

In other words, I believe I believe it is entirely possible someone has found a way to fake API verified kill mails.

There could easily be another explanation, but I believe this bears looking into.

As for the pilot being reimbursed.... not bloody likely. Smile


I'll actually have to take back the part about EVE Kills knowing how many slots an Atron has. In kill mails showing a completely fit Atron the weapons/etc. show up correctly... but do not have the little box around them denoting a actual usable slot. The guns/etc. are just there. This means that an unfit Atron would still only show the old number of slots (2/2/2).

Eating crow to avoid muddying the waters.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-10-23 03:31:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Stop clogging up the report system with fluff.
ignoring the direct instruction of an ISD and making personal attacks in violation of the forum rules is not 'fluff'.


I am very offended by your corp name, that is a personal attack because I feel very old

It's a personal attack because OH GOD THAT SHOULD BE A CRIME OH GOD

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-10-23 03:54:46 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
http://themittani.com/news/alod-titanic-atron

WTF is this bullshit? Internal affairs will be contacted. You don't go reimbursing some ****** just because he has however many accounts.


Pics or it didn't happen!, further Solar is not BoB no way in hell they got reimbursed.
Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-10-23 03:55:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Christopher Scott wrote:
Genuine question: If a player has their account hacked, and the hacker is responsible for the player losing all their stuff, will CCP reimburse the loss?

Because I can't think of any other possible way CCP would offer a reimbursement. I don't think they even reimburse losses from hacked accounts, but I might be wrong. Does somebody know the answer?

Typically, if an account is hacked the only thing reimbursed is the ISK loss. Items lost (in whatever fashion) are not reimbursed with ISK or replaced.

They do give ships back though so if he did get lucky he has his atron back:-D


.....I'm sure he's jumping for joy if that's the case.

'Oh yay, I got my sub 1-mil ship back. That other several hundred billion? Who cares about that when I have my ship!'

That's the exact thought that is running through his head, I'm sure.

.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2012-10-23 04:09:20 UTC
OP edited to add tribe api-verified killmail. 1B isk mining foreman mindlink was lost when our guy podded him as well.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#54 - 2012-10-23 04:18:05 UTC
[ 2012.10.22 16:04:45 ] stewie Zanjoahir > yer man i've been adivsed to stop talking to you sorry.
[ 2012.10.22 16:05:16 ] Marc Scaurus > advised by whom?
[ 2012.10.22 16:05:50 ] stewie Zanjoahir > by the russains.

I'm wondering if the Russians gave some advice to CCP as well.

"Hello CPP people. My name is Ivan Chekov, and you will be refunding the monies now."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Sturmwolke
#55 - 2012-10-23 04:25:40 UTC
Standard CCP GM reimbursement for ship loss only covers hull and destroyed modules.
Dropped modules/cargos aren't covered. I'm not sure about destroyed cargo though, I'm guessing a no.

Not knowing the full circumstances, the Atron guy's incredibly stupid running around in null with a bare Atron hull.
How daft can you get? A bare hull won't have the align time to escape (unboosted) inty locks, much less deal with bubbles.

Now a GM allegedly replaced these losses in a few hours???? ... well, thats several magnitude faster than normal. How?
The avg can be from a few days to weeks. Now, I'd like to think CCP customer service level had improved after ALL THESE YEARS ... but by this much? Wow *sarcasm*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2012-10-23 04:32:26 UTC
Theangryhobo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Christopher Scott wrote:
Genuine question: If a player has their account hacked, and the hacker is responsible for the player losing all their stuff, will CCP reimburse the loss?

Because I can't think of any other possible way CCP would offer a reimbursement. I don't think they even reimburse losses from hacked accounts, but I might be wrong. Does somebody know the answer?

Typically, if an account is hacked the only thing reimbursed is the ISK loss. Items lost (in whatever fashion) are not reimbursed with ISK or replaced.

They do give ships back though so if he did get lucky he has his atron back:-D


.....I'm sure he's jumping for joy if that's the case.

'Oh yay, I got my sub 1-mil ship back. That other several hundred billion? Who cares about that when I have my ship!'

That's the exact thought that is running through his head, I'm sure.

The more I think about this the more I want it to happen.
Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-10-23 06:50:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Theangryhobo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Christopher Scott wrote:
Genuine question: If a player has their account hacked, and the hacker is responsible for the player losing all their stuff, will CCP reimburse the loss?

Because I can't think of any other possible way CCP would offer a reimbursement. I don't think they even reimburse losses from hacked accounts, but I might be wrong. Does somebody know the answer?

Typically, if an account is hacked the only thing reimbursed is the ISK loss. Items lost (in whatever fashion) are not reimbursed with ISK or replaced.

They do give ships back though so if he did get lucky he has his atron back:-D


.....I'm sure he's jumping for joy if that's the case.

'Oh yay, I got my sub 1-mil ship back. That other several hundred billion? Who cares about that when I have my ship!'

That's the exact thought that is running through his head, I'm sure.

The more I think about this the more I want it to happen.


If only......

.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#58 - 2012-10-23 08:38:18 UTC
The claims of being reimbursed don't bother me in the slightest since it'd be pantsonheadretarded for a GM to do that

but I do find the entire thing rather suspect - a 2011 char with ~30bn (if they're just bpcs) flying an unfitted atron into a camp... sounds like someone is laundering botted/rmt isk imo
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#59 - 2012-10-23 08:40:35 UTC
and I was bout to say inb4 ^^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#60 - 2012-10-23 08:59:02 UTC
Player in question is Solar Citizens member. So odds of it being an RMT laundering op are pretty good imo. Or at least a botting return run. Pretty much all the russian underling "citizen" alliances are botting/RMT alliances.

Seriously, though. Look at the cash value of that loss. 155B isk = 282 PLEX at current prices. I went to acct management to check the prices, and CCP is having a special atm, 28 PLEX for $489.86 USD.

Wait a tick... 28 PLEX special, 280+ PLEX value in cargo.... what a coincidence that the PLEX value in cargo is almost exactly 10x the current best price special! So that would be >$4,896.60 in total cash value.

Someone is gonna be walking with a limp soon.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY