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Freezehunter
#61 - 2012-10-22 18:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Ranger 1 wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Why not simply ask ice la glace to make a dx9dll-mod for EvE ? ^_^

http://icelaglace.com/


Why the hell am i mentioning him ? Because i've spent two days figuring
out how to make GTA IV photorealistic thanks to his mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvbHUpph0k&feature=related


Check this and the others. ^_^


Edit: And whoever compared Crysis to EvE has no clue and should be shot on sight.


Because if you were not utterly clueless, you would know that modding your Eve client is against the EULA and TOS.

And yet you call me clueless.

Also, why the **** not compare Eve to Crysis?
Just because idiots say that an MMO can't look good because "insert bullshit hilariously misinformed reason here"?

Only real reason why MMOS are not made to look like the Crysis / Metro 2033 standard is because most people don't have aweseome computers and that would really **** the player base up, not because of some ******** bullshit technical limitation like "it's online" or some ****.


I find it interesting that for someone with the breadth of experience you claim to have, you don't understand the differences inherent in how graphics must be handled in a huge multiplayer game compared to single/liimited player games.

Crysis is used as a benchmark for graphics card testing because it is incredibly demanding. It brings many otherwise capable systems and video cards to a crawl. Now multiply that by a 3000 man fleet battle and you begin to understand.

There is certainly room for improvement, indeed that work is constantly ongoing... and discussions about Tesselation have already begun. But you will never get the kind of graphics quality in EVE that you will get in a game that doesn't have the potenttial for thousands of players to be on screen at once.


That is a bad argument.

Crysis is demanding on computers because it has so many environmental effects and terrain/foliage/walls/complex geometry/complex humanoid models/dynamic meshes/flying bullets/physics objects affected by gravity to compute and display.

Have you ever seen how solar systems are built in Eve?

They're nothing but a bunch of sky boxes, some spheres for the planets, the station/object models and effects, and the ships, which are LOD'd to hell and back (in an incredibly ****** and snappy and non subtle manner I might add) if you zoom out past 100 km, so it doesn't even affect performance when zoomed out.
Only way that would have an impact on the performance would be if you clump 500 ships together in a very tight sphere and then zoomed in on them really close.

Eve doesn't have real physics that need to be calculated precisely, it does not have liquid simulation, it barely has any animations, the effects are ****** and the sound engine is god awful.

In fact, space based games are some of the simplest-to-run simulations out there.

Eve could look as good or even better than Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 with no problem if CCP didn't use all their resources and money and time on **** that's destined to fail like Dust 514 and World of Darkness.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2012-10-22 18:44:05 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
That is a bad argument.
No, it's not. Crysis is not built to scale; EVE is, more so than most MMOs out there (largely since most MMOs don't really deliver on the ”massive” promise).

Quote:
Eve could look as good or even better than Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 with no problem if CCP didn't use all their resources and money and time on **** that's destined to fail like Dust 514 and World of Darkness.
It's better that they spend their resources on stuff that might actually improve the company portfolio and customer base than on stuff that has no effect anything (other than wasting money).
Freezehunter
#63 - 2012-10-22 18:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Tippia wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
That is a bad argument.
No, it's not. Crysis is not built to scale; EVE is, more so than most MMOs out there (largely since most MMOs don't really deliver on the ”massive” promise).

Quote:
Eve could look as good or even better than Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 with no problem if CCP didn't use all their resources and money and time on **** that's destined to fail like Dust 514 and World of Darkness.
It's better that they spend their resources on stuff that might actually improve the company portfolio and customer base than on stuff that has no effect anything (other than wasting money).


You do realize that in this day and age, good looking / flashy stuff attracts more customers, yes?

And what the **** do you mean with the "built to scale" argument?

Are you trying to tell me that a whole lot of empty space is somehow harder to simulate than a detailed small space?

First of all, that is such a ******** thing to say that any 3D designer would laugh his ass off at you, and second of all, I must have missed the part where stations and ships in Eve are thousands of kilometers across, and you can go inside them and have many diverse internal environments and details on everything.

Yep, I must have missed that.

Empty space does not mean harder to simulate, it just means bigger for no reason.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2012-10-22 19:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Freezehunter wrote:
You do realize that in this day and age, good looking / flashy stuff attracts more customers, yes?
You do realise that looking good has a shelf-life of 2 months and doesn't retain customers, yes? You also realise that retaining customers is the bread and butter of MMOs, right? You realise that looking flashy has next to no correlation to actually being a good game and getting a massive audience, I hope?

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And what the **** do you mean with the "built to scale" argument?
Try using a brain rather than invectives. It will help. I mean it's has to be built to scale, from one ship sitting still in a static hangar to 2,000 interacting with each other, unlike simple single-player games that can be optimized for a continuous load and even simpler MMOs that aren't actually massive at all.

That renders the rest of your presumptive, asinine, and thoroughly uninformed rant rather pointless.
Freezehunter
#65 - 2012-10-22 19:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Tippia wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
You do realize that in this day and age, good looking / flashy stuff attracts more customers, yes?
You do realise that looking good has a shelf-life of 2 months and doesn't retain customers, yes? You also realise that retaining customers is the bread and butter of MMOs, right? You realise that looking flashy has next to no correlation to actually being a good game and getting a massive audience, I hope?

Quote:
And what the **** do you mean with the "built to scale" argument?
Try using a brain rather than invectives. It will help. I mean it's has to be built to scale, from one ship sitting still in a static hangar to 2,000 interacting with each other, unlike simple single-player games that can be optimized for a continuous load and even simpler MMOs that aren't actually massive at all.

That renders the rest of your presumptive, asinine, and thoroughly uninformed rant rather pointless.


Really?

Sooooo Eve has 12 million players today because it is such a complex and good looking and cool game, right?

Oh wait, we barely have 500 K total, NEVERMIND.

As always, you pump out a load of bullshit that means absolutely nothing to someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and you do it in such a way that it makes all the idiots believe you actually know what you are talking about (Probably how you got 10000 likes).

That's pretty much the standard for your replies on this forum, you drop some one liners that are full of bullshit that don't actually mean anything.

You should run for CSM or better yet, a political function IRL, you might win since your ability to spew out endless streams of unsubstantiated crap and make people believe you actually know what you are talking about is only surpassed by your lack of expertise/knowledge and real information.

But that was my last reply, as I have better **** to do than argue with a moron on a forum.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#66 - 2012-10-22 19:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Freezehunter wrote:
Really?
Yes.

Best-selling game of all time: Tetris.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-10-22 19:17:54 UTC
Eve is nothing except red, orange and purple squares.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-10-22 20:29:36 UTC
lol... somebody tell the 12 year old that a modified system dll does not change the client. ^_^
Minmatar Gandhi
The Stoney Path
#69 - 2012-10-22 20:40:55 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:

But that was my last reply, as I have better **** to do than argue with a moron on a forum.

I feel a heightened sense of crysis.

Is it youth? He is but 22. A babe in the eyes of us within. He could be a great man if not for the rush of feelings he is so quick to dispose of. He must temper to succeed.

Alas, perhaps, he knows not that Eve is about what we do, not what we see.

Go in Peace
-oo-

The stoney path upon which you walk will have two directions. The direction you choose is yours.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#70 - 2012-10-22 21:54:21 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
lol... somebody tell the 12 year old that a modified system dll does not change the client. ^_^

You just did.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#71 - 2012-10-22 21:59:49 UTC
These people talking about EVE not having good graphics and visuals... are you guys on drugs or something?
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-10-23 03:53:13 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
lol... somebody tell the 12 year old that a modified system dll does not change the client. ^_^

This.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#73 - 2012-10-23 03:56:04 UTC
I don't quite know where I stand on this. One the one hand, there are games that do a signifigantly better job in specific areas of graphics and visuals, but overall Eve looks very beautiful. I guess I can see somewhat where you are comming from, I just don't neccessarily agree that Eve looks badly outdated...there's room for improvement, yes, but Eve doesn't look poopie either.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#74 - 2012-10-23 06:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
These people talking about EVE not having good graphics and visuals... are you guys on drugs or something?

Maybe they're not?

Looks fine to me.... sniff....

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#75 - 2012-10-23 06:22:29 UTC
I find EVE visually very appealing. Flying in space looks amazing, and visual styling and design has improved immensely with the new font and other interface changes.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-10-23 06:28:52 UTC
I challenge the OP to name a single MMO that has better graphics than EVE. I would love to play it. Please...I eagerly await your answer.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#77 - 2012-10-23 06:31:22 UTC
kryjak wrote:
Has anyone been annoyed with low graphics and crappy engine eve uses? Game has been alive for so long i cant even remember when i first started playing it anymore. I mean isnt it time texture quality get bumped a noch? Eve ships and most other texture resolutions are in 512 x 512. I plyed games this resolution on games back in 1995. Common now its 2013. Should CCP include more options for players that run high end machines. I think YES. Even so todays technology and market are forcing better quality in products and textures have imroved over 10 years a lot. It doesnt cost arm and leg anymore. A $400 pc can hande a lot higher textures then eve engine uses now, and if u cant afford one u shouldnt be playing eve at all. I think it would be time do change some graphics quality in EvE and include more options for players. Another things along is mesh. Too much EvE mesh is too square and outdated. Over years i realize and see the difference comparing it to most games today Eve is falling behind a decade. EvE dosnt look fresh and realistic like it looked 5 years ago more or less. EvE needs an upgrade and a big one.


Bro dude, you should check out the mesh resolution of your pecs. Y-y-yo-you work-out?!
Zeran Kariashi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-10-23 08:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeran Kariashi
I'd assume the graphics are a result of the scale...remind me again of the plethora of other extremely high graphics games with 1000 vs 1000 ship battles, that can run without a hiccup on a wide variety of rigs, with maxed graphics.

Eve's scale is more like that of a massive strategy game, rather then some dinky FPS. Yes, if you zoom all the way in and jam your eye against the screen the textures on some ships get fuzzy, but in the long run, that allows for more ships to be involved in large scale battles without bogging the systems down. And while I do agree there is a place for admiring the pixels you've worked for, ultimately, that's only a very tiny portion of the game.

Or would you rather have super sexy looking ships at any zoom and whopping 25 vs 25 battles?

IN truth, I feel focus on graphics is what is destroying video gaming in general these days. Some of my favorite games are the older ones. 3D especially is prone to not aging well at all, and I really could careless how a game looks, as long as it's good enough to see what you're doing and entertaining and fun in the areas I play it to be.


Go play some ship to ship combat in Star Wars: Rebellion (Supremacy in EU), if you want some awesome graphics in space.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#79 - 2012-10-23 09:41:19 UTC
Hey, what about that mist, i flipped everything i could find inside game options, but it doesn't go off. Ugh

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Josef Djugashvilis
#80 - 2012-10-23 10:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Even with DX11 and all the tessellation in the universe, the Dominix would still be really ugly.

On a more serious note, CCP have to make the game run well for those of us who do not wish to spend a fortune on a high-spec computer.

The GTX 560Ti card is, I believe the most commonly used card and Eve looks fine.

Of course, the graphics could always be better, but this holds true no matter how good they are.

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