EVE General Discussion

I'd expect it to be safer than Jita...but let's just wait and see how the new bounty system will work out.

Bounty hunters would probably go looking for you, but really I was more indicating that if you have a massive bounty on your head it wouldn't benefit you to leave high sec. There would at least be a guaranteed cost to gank you in high sec due to concord.

My fun is not in mining, you seem to think it is. Let me be quite clear to you, I tolerate mining. My fun is in collecting ships, and then fying those ships. I have not once ever manufactured an item in EVE. I mine simply to buy ships, that is the real reason I am broke. I was responding to the person who said they wanted the high sec astroids to produce 5% less minerals. To me that would make me have to spend more time mining!! Ok, so you think your idea may work, it may or may not. And as long as I do not have to mine more to have fun, I would be quite happy to not have to mine as much.

Anyways, I am not going to argure about, my stance will always be, I pay CCP to balance the game, not the players. I will play until I no longer have fun. And i am sure you will also play until you no longer have fun, so we at least do have some common ground.

If refine rates were to go down in high sec, a high sec miner would technically need to grind more rocks to build something himself. Beside that, you are right changing refine rate would only change the numbers a bit with the results being pretty much the same. Not sure what the real impact in null would be in the end. Many people won't mine in null for other reasin than the current difficulty of gettign your stuff sold/refined. Alliance with hold on territory and large enough player base to mine lots of minerals would definately benefit by being able to produce stuff a bit easyer than now if there are slots available I guess.

It concerns me that miners post, wishing to make the game harder for themselves.

Unless of course, they're not ACTUALLY miners

I have to ask how is it that transportation of goods is so easy from null to Jita and back? I keep hearing that null is more risk!
If it is more risk then transport of goods should fail often enough that they can not sell goods cheaply over Jita market price.
That would insure your home grown markets are viable. But apparently that is not the case. If goods can flow easily to and from Jita then I ask where is the risk of null? It seems that this risk I keep hearing about is very one sided to every argument.
IE. Used to support what ever postition the author deems needed to make his point even if the risk is used in contradictory ways from one author to the next.

In fact I think the transport of goods between null and Jita has a greater chance of failure in Jita itself than it does have in null.
IE. Greater risk in high sec than in null.

And I don't think anything should be balanced around this. Just because you can self sustain doesn't mean that it should be worried about. You would still be able to build your own ships with reduced refining, but yes, you would have to mine more.

And lets not kid anyone. You can currently mine far more than you actually need to build your own ships. If it's a matter of being able to mine enough to afford the minerals you don't mine, that shouldn't be a problem when the reduced output is offset by higher mineral costs.

I don't suggest a small percentage because I don't think reducing refining in high by 5% would actually impact mineral prices that greatly. I think you need to make a deeper cut for it be felt ont he market.

I believe that a small cut in supply would have an adverse effect on the industrialists in high sec, as they would take a substantial loss in profits and the prices wouldn't go up, if at all, to compensate for that loss.


I don't really know either.

I can only speculate that a combination of reduced output, rise in mineral cost, and perfect refines would make null sec minerals have more value, increase the cost of production in high sec, and close a bit of the gap between high sec and null prices.

I'm making a liberal assumption that prices in null wouldn't rise as much as they would in high. However, that really comes down to how greedy the miners in null really are.



Not really interested in the guys that have pvp issues with null. Those guys are never coming here anyways.

I'm more interested in the industrialist that wouldn't mind playing in null, but doesn't because there's literally no incentive to.

I for one like the idea of Veldspar being the only high sec ore.

LoL.

Highsec refine rates should always be possible to reach 100%.... you know why?
Because the high sec refineries have ENTIRE EMPIRES behind them.

If the entire Amarian empire can't work out how to make a station capable of getting a fully trained miner to refine at 100%, that corp out in Null Sec shouldn't be capable of it either.

Now, in saying this, I'm not against the 50% stations dropping a little, and making it so to get 100% refining you have to have Refining Effiency V and decent skills in the specific asteroid refining skill as well, but I am strongly against anything that makes it outright impossible to get to 100%.

As for the terrible suggestions of making asteroids spawn less, or less of them spawn. Until we change the entire respawn mechanic to gradually spawn new asteroids rather than all at once at down time, any reduction in supply is going to devestate the players who log on later after downtime simply because of their real world time zone or work limitations. That's not fun. It's already not fun logging on three hours before down time and discovering that all the belts in your normal system have been stripped. Making it so this becomes six hours before down time is just going to continue to make matters even worse.

Industrial slots reduction, meh, no biggy.
Abilities/requirements to invest into improving even high sec stations a little (thus adding to costs), meh, no biggy.
Slightly higher per hour manufacturing costs, meh, no biggy.
Those things are just minor stuff. Not going to make much difference, but you don't want to make much difference, since we are talking in minor percents.

But really, Industry should be centered in High sec in bulk. It's the natural place for industry. It makes sense that the civilised area's are the biggest industrial centers, you don't go building massive factories in the middle of nowhere.

Translation: "EvE is a sandbox, which is why everyone should play exactly like I do!"