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Nerf Moaning Null Bears PLS
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Selinate
#281 - 2012-10-23 00:30:14 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
While high sec may be the safest space in the game; it is not terribly difficult to avoid risk in null. While I agree there should be changes, all these cries about null being the Skid Row of this game is highly exaggerated.


The same could be said about low sec...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#282 - 2012-10-23 04:08:43 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
While high sec may be the safest space in the game; it is not terribly difficult to avoid risk in null.

Yes, but one actually has to pay attention, whereas in highsec a simple difference in how one fits and loads their ship can change how likely one is to be attacked. This is only possible because of local. Remove local and ratting or mining with any degree of security is impossible.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#283 - 2012-10-23 05:08:49 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
What you SHOULD be doing is...


"Eve is a sandbox, which is why everyone must play exactly like I do!"

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#284 - 2012-10-23 05:42:17 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
What you SHOULD be doing is...


"Eve is a sandbox, which is why everyone must play exactly like I do!"

More recently
"Eve is a sandbox, which is why everyone must play exactly like I tell them to - regardless of what I do!"

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Imports Plus
Doomheim
#285 - 2012-10-23 06:09:12 UTC
/moan
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#286 - 2012-10-23 07:52:54 UTC
F'elch wrote:
...Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh.

Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money ...

...and lose ships more often.

High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them.



Just fixed a little thing in there and selected the important bits.

Moving the income from high to Low will mean you lose more ships trying to earn the ISK to pay for the ships you lose. This is counterproductive and should be the main point of your argument. Obviously, to afford the ships, you need the 'dosh' and if you have to lose ships to get it, you can't afford to get it, so you can't afford to play.

That might seem a bit convoluted, but it is essentially accurate barring one thing: Faction Warfare in it's current incarnation. That is done in Lowsec rather than high and results in less ship losses currently because they are fit for evasion and are generally cheap anyway.

Players who run Missions in Lowsec lose the ships they run them in eventually. If they didn't have the ISK from other sources to fund those ships initially, they'd never be able to successfully run the missions because they wouldn't have the ability to afford the fits that can almost consistently get away with it.

Also, it is virtually risk free to run Missions in Lowsec when nobody is logged in there.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#287 - 2012-10-23 12:45:43 UTC
Imports Plus wrote:
/moan


/query_moan_count
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2012-10-23 12:54:16 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Imports Plus wrote:
/moan


/query_moan_count


/yes
/yes
/yes
/oh
/yes

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ossirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#289 - 2012-11-07 09:49:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remove local .



ahhh Yes.. I like it.

This adds a degree of danger to high sec, while simultaneously getting rid of a horrible game mechanic in one fell swoop!

I do believe James has done it.

hes come up with the answer to our plight.





You... you null guys are cool with no local right?
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2012-11-07 10:26:48 UTC
Ossirrus wrote:

ahhh Yes.. I like it.

This adds a degree of danger to high sec, while simultaneously getting rid of a horrible game mechanic in one fell swoop!

I do believe James has done it.

hes come up with the answer to our plight.





You... you null guys are cool with no local right?


You seem bitter.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#291 - 2012-11-07 10:28:05 UTC
Positively lemony.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Obenov
Rio Grande Industries
#292 - 2012-11-07 10:59:16 UTC
It's in human nature to find stability.

It's in human nature to tear it apart.
Ossirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#293 - 2012-11-07 11:04:53 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:


You seem bitter.


Indeed Local ganked my miner when i was in high sec

i was totally mad bro about it
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-11-07 11:12:52 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:

I have done my share of suicide ganking; and quite frankly, I don't find it fun doing them at all. Probably when I'm bored and just feeling like doing something different, but that's it. So no, it's not about "easy kills", for a small portion of people who do pvp/ganking to make a living, perhaps, but I'm pretty sure most of them/us don't even care about kills being easy or hard or whatever.



You say you guys don't care about how hard it is to gank but the fact is that most of the post's from Null secer's tend to be about how much harder it is to gank people and them wanting it to be easier.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2012-11-07 12:04:32 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
You say you guys don't care about how hard it is to gank but the fact is that most of the post's from Null secer's tend to be about how much harder it is to gank people and them wanting it to be easier.

I don't know which universe you're posting in, but I want more people to move out of hisec, not mainly because it'll be easier to gank them, but because it'll be better for player retention and it provides more content to more people without going full-on trammel to protect the most ardent whiners.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2012-11-07 12:36:29 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
You don't pvp. Sometimes, you spare enough from your wallet to fit a frigate and see what all the fuss is about, but you don't pvp. You run missions and farm plexes in your stabbed Incursus, but you don't pvp. Your whole reason for existence in this game is to see that number in the wallet window grow larger and larger.

You're not fooling anyone.

you said it like it is bad to "don't pvp" Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#297 - 2012-11-07 13:03:32 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I don't know which universe you're posting in, but I want more people to move out of hisec, not mainly because it'll be easier to gank them, but because it'll be better for player retention and it provides more content to more people without going full-on trammel to protect the most ardent whiners.

Well, the thing about null sec is ...
Lord Zim wrote:
provides more content to more people

We could ask CCP to buff structure hitpoints. More "content" to be shot !

Because, you know, titans are "trivializing" this current content, it needs a substantial buff.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#298 - 2012-11-07 13:04:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Imports Plus wrote:
/moan

/query_moan_count

/yes
/yes
/yes
/oh
/yes

~~ wow. That's certainly one way to do it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#299 - 2012-11-07 13:40:18 UTC
Ravnik wrote:
Cant people just quit moaning about what the other side are doing? You wanna live in null, do it. You wanna live in low, do it. You wanna live in high, do it. Just stop whining that the other has it better than you. If you think the grass is greener, then go move there ffs


LITFA... leave it the f*ck alone. All these 'great' solutions for problems which don't exist.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#300 - 2012-11-07 13:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar Manic
March rabbit wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
You don't pvp. Sometimes, you spare enough from your wallet to fit a frigate and see what all the fuss is about, but you don't pvp. You run missions and farm plexes in your stabbed Incursus, but you don't pvp. Your whole reason for existence in this game is to see that number in the wallet window grow larger and larger.

You're not fooling anyone.

you said it like it is bad to "don't pvp" Shocked


He absolutely PVP's. Remember, everything in EVE is PVP!!!! EVE is a PVP game so he has to PVP. He has no choice. Though shalt leave EVE if you don't PVP!!! ;)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.