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Winter T1 Logi Frigates and Cruisers

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Creedling
#1 - 2012-10-22 01:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Creedling
Hi guys,

I'm preparing my industrial system for production of the new logistic cruiser/frigate hulls and their respective fittings.

I've never flown logi before, so I'd like you guys to do me a favour:

How would you, as a logi pilot, fit the new T1 cruisers and frigates for say, a small gang operation? I'm more interested in knowing what fittings I should be aiming to produce than anything else, though fitting discussion for them is welcome here too!

Full EFTed fits are encouraged and stuff like 'they'll use medium remote armor reps in high, cap rechargers in mid and speed mods in low' would also greatly help me in understanding what it will take to provide these renovated hulls, along with their fittings, to my corp.

Thanks, hope to see what you guys have to offer.

Creed
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-22 01:05:27 UTC
You want us to do your research for you? Here's my help, check out a couple of threads here and on fail heap and you'll probably get what you need.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Creedling
#3 - 2012-10-22 01:18:59 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
You want us to do your research for you? Here's my help, check out a couple of threads here and on fail heap and you'll probably get what you need.


Thanks for the suggestions. What prompted me to make this thread was that I've already had a nose around for such discussions but they're sparse and not discussed in any great detail.

If you've got a minute or two to reply to this thread - I could do with a simple high, mid and low explanation for each ship, or just one of them. I'd like to get it from the horse's mouth, so to speak :)

I already know that the Scythe (Minmatar) and Osprey (Caldari) will use shield transporters, whilst the Augoror (Amarr) and Oneiros (Gallente) will be using remote armor reps. However I haven't a clue as to what you'd use the mid slots/low slots on them for. For instance, what do logi pilots usually use in their tech 2 fits? And will they be medium or large high slot turrets? As for mids, I can only see perhaps a propulsion mod for speed and the rest being devoted to capacitor modules. Low slots would probably host a local tank of sorts with DC etc. I haven't a clue really, which is why I need your help!

As for the frigates, I imagine they'll use small high slot turrets, or perhaps with some fitting modules will be able to host less but more powerful medium sized ones. Tanking them would probably take advantage of their natural speed so I'd imagine overdrive injectors, nanofiber internal structures are to be expected in the lows, with propulsion mods in the mid slots etc.

This article written by Jester's Trek (Ripard Teg) sheds some light on certain areas: He's of the opinion that large remote reps will be used on the new T1 cruisers without fitting mods, and that they will actually outrep their T2 counterparts. Interesting stuff, but confusing for someone new to logistics such as myself.

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-10-22 08:58:35 UTC
Shield logi will have reps in the highs, a prop and tank in the meds, and cap mods in the lows (rigs to suit)
Armour logi will have reps in the highs, a prop and cap mods in the meds, and tank in the lows (rigs to suit)

Not really that difficult... cant say exactly because the final product isnt... final yet

No Worries

Taiyri Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-22 17:50:33 UTC
Battleclinic will show you all that information for current logi ships. Shouldn't be that hard to extrapolate from there.

http://thepvpexperience.com

Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#6 - 2012-10-22 18:03:09 UTC
I have toyed with the new logi frigs, and I have come up with how they would be used.

Frig & destroyer gangs. That is it. The logi does work good enough to help a cruiser get through a tough plex, but to get it at max repping with stable cap and afterburner, is quite difficult and would make resistances extremely weak.

Other uses: disposible logistics. Get on grid, MWD to ally, dump cap into reps then die. As far as that goes, it would be nice to see cap chaining frigs with high resistances/small sig radius.

the t1 logi frigs have their niche, like in FW. a fleet of 5 frigs/dessies with logi frigs would dominate those plexes, with enough staying power to take on a small gang of equal sized ships. But that is it.

They still die to alpha and smartbombs as easy as other frigs.
Creedling
#7 - 2012-10-22 18:23:38 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
I have toyed with the new logi frigs, and I have come up with how they would be used.

Frig & destroyer gangs. That is it. The logi does work good enough to help a cruiser get through a tough plex, but to get it at max repping with stable cap and afterburner, is quite difficult and would make resistances extremely weak.

Other uses: disposible logistics. Get on grid, MWD to ally, dump cap into reps then die. As far as that goes, it would be nice to see cap chaining frigs with high resistances/small sig radius.

the t1 logi frigs have their niche, like in FW. a fleet of 5 frigs/dessies with logi frigs would dominate those plexes, with enough staying power to take on a small gang of equal sized ships. But that is it.

They still die to alpha and smartbombs as easy as other frigs.


Some nice ideas here.

Though after the PvE changes, won't they be useless in plexes due to the updated AI? Everyone will need to be able to tank damage now due to target switching etc.

Personally can't wait to take out a T1 attack cruiser gang with T1 logi for support :) Same goes for frigate/destroyers with frig logi.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2012-10-22 23:10:39 UTC
Yeah I've been toying with the ships and Large Shield transporters can be wedged onto these T1 ships giving the stats discussed in the blog linked in OP.

However CCP has expressed that they don't want this to happen and are aware of the current situation so Large rep fits will probably be just for gimmicks.

That being said I imagine the Augoror/Osprey will be fit with a 4med rep/1med cap transfer setup, AB, 3 tank mods + ECCM, cap power relays/cap rechargers in free slots and possible resist/cap rigs.Similar fittings on the Exequror and Scythe but without cap transfer.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-23 00:17:49 UTC
Something like this

[NEW Scythe, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


[NEW Exequror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

[NEW Osprey, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
NEW Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

[NEW Augoror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Worpout
Quafe Racing
#10 - 2012-10-23 08:31:02 UTC
[NEW Scythe, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
[empty high slot]
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-10-23 09:11:27 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Something like this


[NEW Exequror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


[NEW Augoror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I



Im not at my mac atm so i cant verify but would it not be better to fit pg rigs n put a 1600mm RT plate in? Iirc that works better... but not 100% sure n like I said I can't verify that ATM....

-Wardeneo-

Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-23 10:39:00 UTC
Wardeneo wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Something like this


[NEW Exequror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


[NEW Augoror, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I



Im not at my mac atm so i cant verify but would it not be better to fit pg rigs n put a 1600mm RT plate in? Iirc that works better... but not 100% sure n like I said I can't verify that ATM....

-Wardeneo-



Nah they have very low PG so you would need 3 pg rigs.
Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-10-23 12:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wardeneo
Ahh but would that still be better or worse? I'm presuming worse...

-Wardeneo-
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#14 - 2012-10-23 15:33:28 UTC
You may wish to seed the red and blue headquarters with the logi frigs. Given that we often fly dessie down, we may be a prime market for the logi frigs.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-23 15:38:49 UTC
Wardeneo wrote:
Ahh but would that still be better or worse? I'm presuming worse...

-Wardeneo-


Yup less EHP and slower align/acceleration