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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#161 - 2012-10-22 20:31:33 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I still don't like the idea of plexes showing up on the overview for everyone, especially if there's going to be a clock next to it showing it counting down (btw, don't recall seeing that suggested in any of the FW threads).

If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the plex; if you're not in militia, you need to scan them down.
If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the FW mission beacons; if you're not in the militia, you need to scan them down.
Plexes in a system should be part of the FW window if you're in the militia. Double click the system, and it shows you the loaded plexes, and their countdown timers if running. If you're in the system, you can warp to from the window.

The plexes and missions should be for militia based pvp, and pirates should have to work for their targets, not be spoonfed them by an overview.

I have the feeling the pirates will soon be able to join a pirate faction... and they will be part of the FW struggle... so it likely doesn't matter much in the long run.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#162 - 2012-10-22 20:34:46 UTC
Ty Delaney wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way.
OMFG?!?

Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward?

Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure.


Jesus man, breathe.

He was talking about removing the difference between defensive and offensive plexes, not size limitations. Learn to context.

Indeed.

Personally I think it would be highly amusing for NPC's of the opposite faction to show up regardless of whether you are offensive or defensive plexing. It would get REALLY interesting when NPC's from both sides begin to spawn while a battle between players is taking place in the PLEX, especially if the NPC's would include the rival NPC's as viable targets.

Now that would be fun. Smile

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Jaime Gomes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#163 - 2012-10-22 20:39:55 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-10-22 20:40:27 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way.
OMFG?!?

Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward?

Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure.


Do you just blindly agree with every dumb scandal DHD tries to convince you is worth bleating about? Twisted

All I said was that you shouldn't be able to defensive plex without killing anything. There should be stuff to shoot either way. If not people, than NPC's. Effortless D-plexing for LP is just as bad as effortless O-plexing for LP.

I've always defended ship restrictions, my public record is easily accessible. Go read the minutes again, there's no need for the "puppetmasta" bullshit.


You will have to excuse Poetic. He is busy in his basement, crafting a woman suit.
Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
#165 - 2012-10-22 20:41:06 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Ty Delaney wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Farmers will move to defensive plexing.


They're only going to get paid worth a damn for d-plexing when doing so in heavily-contested systems, which means (thanks to needing to kill the rats) they'll be plexing in systems with lots of armed enemies right there. I wish them luck.


you really think that some one will still attack plex?



Dude.

Your d-plex payout will be based on current contestation of that system. Contestation means offensive plexing.

If everyone just d-plexes, no one gets paid, at all. How is this hard to understand?
Rengerel en Distel
#166 - 2012-10-22 20:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rengerel en Distel
Jaime Gomes wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.


It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.

Edit: appears minnie isn't having any troubles flipping the few amarr ones either.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Bado Sten
Republican Guard
Shadow Cartel
#167 - 2012-10-22 20:43:27 UTC
Awesome, 23th October is the new christmas!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#168 - 2012-10-22 20:44:59 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.


It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.



If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't.

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Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
#169 - 2012-10-22 20:48:00 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.


It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.



If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't.


If any Amarr need help flipping your vulnerable systems tonight, let me know -- I'll ferry in ammo or something.
Jaime Gomes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-10-22 20:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.


It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.

Edit: appears minnie isn't having any troubles flipping the few amarr ones either.



I am bashing the bunkers. Now we could have the double numbers with a proper heads up. Not even going to adress the amarr militia cause is dead *snip*. Minies always controlled the show with deals and alt corps.

EDIT: That kind of thing isn't necessary, please keep it off the forums thank you - ISD Type40.
ScarredEye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-10-22 20:51:39 UTC
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


I think earlier changes to FW were good(I was involved in them, and I am now a part of them).
And I think these changes are wonderful.

That is because this patch will effectively nerf the afk alt LP farming, and make plexing more of a combat instance.
It will also redefine what people use for plexing.

What is more, it turns defensive plexing from completely lacking rewards to rewarding within reason, to contain LP farming on that side, while still making it "more worth the effort" for those who are actually trying to decontest a system.


A part of the great number of pve characters joining the caldari militia which characterize a very large part of it for it's incompetence in pvp, join for the reason that missioning and plexing is so easy and rewarding.
With these changes, it is possible the scales will be tending to a better balance, even though missioning will remain easier on the caldari side.


faction warfare is not about farming.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#172 - 2012-10-22 20:58:09 UTC
ScarredEye wrote:
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


I think earlier changes to FW were good(I was involved in them, and I am now a part of them).
And I think these changes are wonderful.

That is because this patch will effectively nerf the afk alt LP farming, and make plexing more of a combat instance.
It will also redefine what people use for plexing.

What is more, it turns defensive plexing from completely lacking rewards to rewarding within reason, to contain LP farming on that side, while still making it "more worth the effort" for those who are actually trying to decontest a system.


A part of the great number of pve characters joining the caldari militia which characterize a very large part of it for it's incompetence in pvp, join for the reason that missioning and plexing is so easy and rewarding.
With these changes, it is possible the scales will be tending to a better balance, even though missioning will remain easier on the caldari side.


faction warfare is not about farming.


tell me one reason why Damar would rage?
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#173 - 2012-10-22 21:03:25 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
ScarredEye wrote:
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


blah blah stuff about plexing


faction warfare is not about farming.


tell me one reason why Damar would rage?



you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#174 - 2012-10-22 21:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs
Caldari FW mission running alt spotted.
Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).




Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.


Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.


It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.



If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't.


Because there's 1/2 as many systems in Amarr/Min FW as there are in Gal/Cal.

And because the Minnies have instantly gone on the offensive and the Amarr currently now hold 3 Amarr and 1 Min system, there's not much chance of them flipping anything.

Meanwhile the Caldari have pulled back 3-4 systems, in a desperate bid to get as much as possible before the Gal US fleets turn up.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-10-22 21:18:41 UTC
Speaking as someone that RPs now and again...

It's just dots on a map.

The big questions are whether this new system will bring about more balanced rewards for a major "career path" in EVE, and whether it will encourage the kind of accessible PvP that FW represents. The jury's still out on that. CCP's Inferno design produced a lot of unintended behavior, and only the coming weeks will show whether or not this iteration is an improvement.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#176 - 2012-10-22 21:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Because there's 1/2 as many systems in Amarr/Min FW as there are in Gal/Cal.

And because the Minnies have instantly gone on the offensive and the Amarr currently now hold 3 Amarr and 1 Min system, there's not much chance of them flipping anything.

Meanwhile the Caldari have pulled back 3-4 systems, in a desperate bid to get as much as possible before the Gal US fleets turn up.

The last time a cash out occurred we were in the exact same situation, holding about 4 or 5 systems total. We have been in this postion, holding about this many systems since that time.

Now we'll see if this catches the movers and shakers of the Amarr off guard. They might not be able to organize fast enough.

Should be interesting either way.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#177 - 2012-10-22 21:23:57 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Yesterday I was thinking of investing in PLEX. For some reason I decided not to, and just bought what I needed to support my accounts.

Lucky me.


PLEX will still increase in price, as they have done since they were first introduced. Game time did not jump from 90M ISK to 600M ISK just because of FW plex spinners.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#178 - 2012-10-22 21:24:51 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
ScarredEye wrote:
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


blah blah stuff about plexing


faction warfare is not about farming.


tell me one reason why Damar would rage?



you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar.


I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#179 - 2012-10-22 21:28:57 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Indeed.

Personally I think it would be highly amusing for NPC's of the opposite faction to show up regardless of whether you are offensive or defensive plexing. It would get REALLY interesting when NPC's from both sides begin to spawn while a battle between players is taking place in the PLEX, especially if the NPC's would include the rival NPC's as viable targets.

Now that would be fun. Smile


I like it.

You could potentially plex defensively in a logi, rep the friendly NPCs and not take any faction hits for killing the enemy :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Jaime Gomes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#180 - 2012-10-22 21:30:25 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
ScarredEye wrote:
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


blah blah stuff about plexing


faction warfare is not about farming.


tell me one reason why Damar would rage?



you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar.


I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.



True story bra. the 24 hours is a joke. only favours the ones with the advantage. Besides the most aproppriate situation would be to reset all systems. But then again they didnt reset them the last time they upgraded inferno.