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Miss Grace
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
Fraternity.
#1 - 2012-10-20 20:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Grace
After a long absence from the game I have returned to the new confusion that is ice mining

For solo mining work what would you use for maximum yield now the mack doesn't get the bonus?
What's the best cycle time you can achieve?
This is semi afk too.

Kind regards

Grace
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#2 - 2012-10-20 20:14:22 UTC
I'd still go with the mack just for the large cargohold. Toss on the new rigs and some ice mining upgrades and go in a belt that isn't under interdiction.
Miss Grace
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
Fraternity.
#3 - 2012-10-20 20:39:44 UTC
Doesn't the retriever do the same job at 1/10th of the price?
Threshner
#4 - 2012-10-20 20:57:12 UTC
Miss Grace wrote:
Doesn't the retriever do the same job at 1/10th of the price?


The mack and the retriever both have very large ore bays.

The mack has about i believe 9k more in its ore bay and being a exhumer can also mine a bit more with its bonus.

I had a alt with a mack and my main in a retriever and they both filled up in about the same time so the mack will bring in more ore
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#5 - 2012-10-20 22:32:36 UTC
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.
Rengerel en Distel
#6 - 2012-10-21 04:23:38 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.


If they're mining for profit, why would they be mining ice?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#7 - 2012-10-21 08:07:46 UTC
With proper boosts and a good system nullsec mining can be very profitable. Upsides to ore is you dont have down time of rocks popping ect, if you compress the darkglitter you can make a big chunk of isk. One should only mine ice in empire if they really need it for thier pos.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-10-21 13:35:00 UTC
With utterly max-Skill and Yeti-fit toons (Orca Booster Alt Skills at V, etc) the Hulk will give you 3 Cubes every 140.5 seconds (2 minutes and 20 seconds in this math education deprived society).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-10-21 19:52:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
With utterly max-Skill and Yeti-fit toons (Orca Booster Alt Skills at V, etc) the Hulk will give you 3 Cubes every 140.5 seconds (2 minutes and 20 seconds in this math education deprived society).

Please do this

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-10-22 12:27:16 UTC
Sixx Spades wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
With utterly max-Skill and Yeti-fit toons (Orca Booster Alt Skills at V, etc) the Hulk will give you 3 Cubes every 140.5 seconds (2 minutes and 20 seconds in this math education deprived society).

Please do this



A goon having a blast today, posting in every single forum as if to impress.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-10-22 16:03:10 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.


Oh dear lord not this again.

The mack outmines the hulk solo. It's been pretty exhaustively proven here and elsewhere. A hulk doesn't start to outmine the mack until you get 4+ miners in a belt with an Orca boost. I've mined with both, in every scenario I can think of (solo all the way up to a 10-man gang with Orca providing logistics and boost). The Mack wins until you get 4 miners into play; then the Hulk pulls ahead.
Dave Stark
#12 - 2012-10-22 16:13:22 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.


Oh dear lord not this again.

The mack outmines the hulk solo. It's been pretty exhaustively proven here and elsewhere. A hulk doesn't start to outmine the mack until you get 4+ miners in a belt with an Orca boost. I've mined with both, in every scenario I can think of (solo all the way up to a 10-man gang with Orca providing logistics and boost). The Mack wins until you get 4 miners into play; then the Hulk pulls ahead.


pretty sure it's 3....

according to my spreadsheet that i knocked up around the time the latest patch came out, the one i used to point out that the dev blog wasn't using rorq bonuses or something (check it, there's an edit in the dev blog), 2 hulks + orca > 3 macks. also, that doesn't take in to account all the flying back and forth the macks have to do.

at 3 accounts, the orca is worth using. however even at 2 accounts there's really no need for more than one mackinaw, jetcan mine with your hulk and instantly scoop it up with the mackinaw. just treat the mackinaw as an industrial with amazing mining yield. mack + hulk > 2 macks.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#13 - 2012-10-22 20:42:33 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.


Oh dear lord not this again.

The mack outmines the hulk solo. It's been pretty exhaustively proven here and elsewhere. A hulk doesn't start to outmine the mack until you get 4+ miners in a belt with an Orca boost. I've mined with both, in every scenario I can think of (solo all the way up to a 10-man gang with Orca providing logistics and boost). The Mack wins until you get 4 miners into play; then the Hulk pulls ahead.


pretty sure it's 3....

according to my spreadsheet that i knocked up around the time the latest patch came out, the one i used to point out that the dev blog wasn't using rorq bonuses or something (check it, there's an edit in the dev blog), 2 hulks + orca > 3 macks. also, that doesn't take in to account all the flying back and forth the macks have to do.

at 3 accounts, the orca is worth using. however even at 2 accounts there's really no need for more than one mackinaw, jetcan mine with your hulk and instantly scoop it up with the mackinaw. just treat the mackinaw as an industrial with amazing mining yield. mack + hulk > 2 macks.



But then the highsec bears cant sit there and afk mine for hours....
Dave Stark
#14 - 2012-10-22 20:59:24 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Using a mack is just a ******* lazy way of mining. Use a hulk, jetcan mine then pickup every hour 45 minutes, max profit. I dont get why people mine for profit but then go lazy about it and use a mack.


Oh dear lord not this again.

The mack outmines the hulk solo. It's been pretty exhaustively proven here and elsewhere. A hulk doesn't start to outmine the mack until you get 4+ miners in a belt with an Orca boost. I've mined with both, in every scenario I can think of (solo all the way up to a 10-man gang with Orca providing logistics and boost). The Mack wins until you get 4 miners into play; then the Hulk pulls ahead.


pretty sure it's 3....

according to my spreadsheet that i knocked up around the time the latest patch came out, the one i used to point out that the dev blog wasn't using rorq bonuses or something (check it, there's an edit in the dev blog), 2 hulks + orca > 3 macks. also, that doesn't take in to account all the flying back and forth the macks have to do.

at 3 accounts, the orca is worth using. however even at 2 accounts there's really no need for more than one mackinaw, jetcan mine with your hulk and instantly scoop it up with the mackinaw. just treat the mackinaw as an industrial with amazing mining yield. mack + hulk > 2 macks.



But then the highsec bears cant sit there and afk mine for hours....


heh i do that with a hulk and a ret while watching sons of anarchy.
all you do is tab back to the game every few mins and drag ore. if you're not at the computer the roids will pop so tabbing back and forth is no big deal.
pussnheels
Viziam
#15 - 2012-10-23 09:31:52 UTC
Miss Grace wrote:
After a long absence from the game I have returned to the new confusion that is ice mining

For solo mining work what would you use for maximum yield now the mack doesn't get the bonus?
What's the best cycle time you can achieve?
This is semi afk too.

Kind regards

Grace

Do not AFK mine , that is just a open invitation for the gankers to get yourself killed and don't be lured into a false sense of security with the buffed up stats , tank your barge/exhimer, that third low slot on your mack is NOT for a third MLU

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Dave Stark
#16 - 2012-10-23 10:34:40 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
that third low slot on your mack is NOT for a third MLU


yes it is.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#17 - 2012-10-23 21:07:13 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Miss Grace wrote:
After a long absence from the game I have returned to the new confusion that is ice mining

For solo mining work what would you use for maximum yield now the mack doesn't get the bonus?
What's the best cycle time you can achieve?
This is semi afk too.

Kind regards

Grace

Do not AFK mine , that is just a open invitation for the gankers to get yourself killed and don't be lured into a false sense of security with the buffed up stats , tank your barge/exhimer, that third low slot on your mack is NOT for a third MLU


You're right, it is for a DCU2
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-23 21:10:04 UTC
Forget Mack and Hulk, go mine in a Sciff
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-10-24 07:08:39 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sixx Spades wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
With utterly max-Skill and Yeti-fit toons (Orca Booster Alt Skills at V, etc) the Hulk will give you 3 Cubes every 140.5 seconds (2 minutes and 20 seconds in this math education deprived society).

Please do this



A goon having a blast today, posting in every single forum as if to impress.


I posted in 3 threads, whereas I get to see your sloppy attempts at putting words together daily.

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Dave Stark
#20 - 2012-10-24 07:22:59 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Forget Mack and Hulk, go mine in a Sciff


and this is why your mack's third low slot is for an mlu.

if you wanted a ship with high ehp you wouldn't be in a mack to begin with.
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