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Solo level 5s in a Tengu
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Rob Otosan
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-21 08:09:15 UTC
Hi Guys,

I'm wondering how feasible it is to do level 5 mission, solo, with a tengu ?

Is this doable? If so, any guidance?

btw, I run missions for Caldari.

Thanks,

Rob
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-21 09:04:13 UTC
To do lvl5s you need a passive tank capable of 2000 DPS tank minimum. Passive recharge because of the neut towers..

Nighthawk and the Ishtar are both pretty common lvl5 ships as are carriers. You can do some missions in bombers though..

But to answer your question, Tengu = no
Rob Otosan
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-21 09:09:10 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
To do lvl5s you need a passive tank capable of 2000 DPS tank minimum. Passive recharge because of the neut towers..

Nighthawk and the Ishtar are both pretty common lvl5 ships as are carriers. You can do some missions in bombers though..

But to answer your question, Tengu = no


Le very interesting, I will have a good look into that. Any recommendations on the NH fit ?

Thank you.

Rob
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-10-21 10:27:57 UTC
actually, you can get a tengu up to sufficient tank levels if you throw some money at it. your dps will be horrible though, so it is far more efficient to bring a couple friends for damage support.

I should buy an Ishtar.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-10-21 19:24:08 UTC
You probably can get a Tengu to those levels but the isk needed is very high especially for missioning in a pve fit in low sec.

A nighthawk fit would be lows full of shield power relays, rigs would be purgers, then the kids would be a mix of large shield extenders and passive shield amps perhaps some shield rechargers...

Have a look at EFT it's easy to knock up fits or you can check out battleclinic for fits.
Carnilion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-22 07:17:59 UTC
When i had my time with L5's i used an active (dual small Pithum C-Type SB) Tank 100mn Tengu and stayd out of Web/Neut range.
Tengu is fast enough to tank "a little bit" and has a good locking range, so it worked quite well. Shoot Web and Neuts first (except triggers).
Additional advantage: You move a lot, so incoming foes who scanned you out (if you forgotten to d-scan) might come in out of point range
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2012-10-22 08:11:04 UTC
Keep in mind that the new NPC AI changes will force every ship in the mission to tank, not just the first to get aggro.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#8 - 2012-10-22 11:32:13 UTC
A Rattlesnake is probably the best option for Lvl 5s IMHO.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Signal11th
#9 - 2012-10-22 11:51:38 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
A Rattlesnake is probably the best option for Lvl 5s IMHO.



I prefer a carrier but there isn't really any point doing Lvl 5's whilst you can still do FW.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Rob Otosan
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-22 13:19:00 UTC
The idea of using a Rattler for lvl 5's seems pretty good.

I think you can get away with something like this...

Highs
04 x CN Cruise Missile Launchers
01 x Faction NOS
01 x Faction Large EMP smarty (tackle killers, etc)

Mids
03 x Large shield extenders IIs
04 x Pithum A-type resistance amplifiers

Lows
04 x Shield Power Relays
02 x CN BCS'

Rigs
03 x Large CDFP IIs

Drones
05 x T2 Heavy IIs
05 x Heavy Sensor damp drones, sort out the tackling piwates.
Selection of other useful drones.

Little pricey but you get about 1.5k DPS tank against EM & Therm (75 / 25 damage split respectively).

Let me know what you guys think.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-22 14:29:45 UTC
The Rattler gets its primary firepower from its drones, so it might make more sense to use Drone Damage Amps in place of the Ballistics in the lows.

And I haven't done any L5's myself, but I recall there are some that have missile launcher towers that will do 12,000 EM damage per shot...

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Rob Otosan
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-22 15:22:31 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
The Rattler gets its primary firepower from its drones, so it might make more sense to use Drone Damage Amps in place of the Ballistics in the lows.

And I haven't done any L5's myself, but I recall there are some that have missile launcher towers that will do 12,000 EM damage per shot...


Excellent thinking bat-man.
Will look into the tower situation.
Larloch TheAncient
Freindly Mining Corporation
#13 - 2012-10-22 16:22:42 UTC
[Tengu, Passive]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



Needs a tengu booster to get the below numbers.


tanks 2600 50/50 Kin/therm Damage.

490 DPS max skills.

2 shield implants.


You can get it above 3.5k pretty easy but I thought the added dps would be nice. A rattler may be faster and or better, but the tengu CAN do it.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#14 - 2012-10-22 16:37:26 UTC
Don't bother, player pirates will ruin your ambitions, LP is nice but nah...not worth it to go to low sec to swim in cht with cht.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#15 - 2012-10-22 18:04:14 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
A Rattlesnake is probably the best option for Lvl 5s IMHO.



I prefer a carrier but there isn't really any point doing Lvl 5's whilst you can still do FW.


Carriers will be useless for missions and DED sites after the new AI goes live. They are so huge your fighters or drones are much closer to the same size as the rats. The rats will instantly switch targets to the fighters/drones when they are launched. Nothing in the mission will attack the carrier while fighter/drones are out. This has been tested and confirmed on duality this weekend.
Rob Otosan
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-23 11:36:00 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
A Rattlesnake is probably the best option for Lvl 5s IMHO.



I prefer a carrier but there isn't really any point doing Lvl 5's whilst you can still do FW.


Carriers will be useless for missions and DED sites after the new AI goes live. They are so huge your fighters or drones are much closer to the same size as the rats. The rats will instantly switch targets to the fighters/drones when they are launched. Nothing in the mission will attack the carrier while fighter/drones are out. This has been tested and confirmed on duality this weekend.


Suppose that is valid, then again you can always rep the drones which are being shot? But :effort:


Piugattuk wrote:
Don't bother, player pirates will ruin your ambitions, LP is nice but nah...not worth it to go to low sec to swim in cht with cht.


This is very true, but what a rush! Blink
Signal11th
#17 - 2012-10-23 11:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
A Rattlesnake is probably the best option for Lvl 5s IMHO.



I prefer a carrier but there isn't really any point doing Lvl 5's whilst you can still do FW.


Carriers will be useless for missions and DED sites after the new AI goes live. They are so huge your fighters or drones are much closer to the same size as the rats. The rats will instantly switch targets to the fighters/drones when they are launched. Nothing in the mission will attack the carrier while fighter/drones are out. This has been tested and confirmed on duality this weekend.



Which is correct but rats will be size specific in their aggro, eg frigas and cruisers will attack small medium drones and larger rats will attack fighters etc, either way my drones and fighters will kill most of the rats before this becomes a problem, also sentry drones just fit a remote armor/shield repper and job done.

It will be different but no more of a problem what usual plus I'll be actually happier if the rats aggro the drones means I have to worry less about the carrier. I'd rather lose 10x fighters than the actual carrier.

Just means you can't afk it anymore that is all plus my sentry fit thanny is actually worth around 2 bil less that my Tengu.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-10-24 01:06:29 UTC
Rob Otosan wrote:
Hi Guys,

I'm wondering how feasible it is to do level 5 mission, solo, with a tengu ?

Is this doable? If so, any guidance?

btw, I run missions for Caldari.

Thanks,

Rob


L5s are meant to be solo'd.

That being said there are some fits that will "work", but it's better to bring some friends/alts. The more DPS you bring the less time you spend in Mission.
2 Ships can get it done (Assault Frigate + Long Range Battleship)
3 ships is better (Assault Frigate + Long Range Battleship + Blaster Talos)
4 ships is money (Assault Frigate + Exequror + 2x Blaster Talos)

A passive armor tanked AF with 2 large remote repairs or 4 medium remote repairs will tank every L5.

After that it's pump in as much damage as you can.

Note this will all change with the december patch

-FM
Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#19 - 2012-10-28 16:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus McTavish
Okay,

Ships that can Tank and Run Level 5 Missions:
-Tengu
-Proteus
-Nighthawk
-Vulture
-Ishtar
-Rattlesnake
-Vargur (Active)

Probably some other ships tossed in there.

For the first 6 choices, set up a passive tank with Purgers, LSE's, Shield Power Relays and Resist Amps.
From there you fit on what ever damage mods you can.
The Tengu, Nighthawk and Vulture (I think) should be using missiles as their primary form of damage application, and should fit BCU's.
The Proteus, Ishtar, and Rattlesnake should be using drones as their primary form of damage application, and should fit Drone Damage Amplifiers. Either projectiles or cruiser missiles in the remaining high slots for a bit of damage on the side.
The Vargur is a beast, and has only been introduced to Level 5 Missions since the advent of the ASB and its Extra Large Variant. Basically you slap on 4 Resist Amps, and 2 XL ASB, and run one of them at a time when you need it. Its not passive, but as long as you keep charges, you should be fine. The ship will also have great damage application and output, alongside a monster tank.
Thorado
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2012-11-01 17:23:01 UTC
I'd be interested to see any fits for a passive Ishtar. Have been toying with the idea of level 5's of late and as such trained the Kronos with this in mind. Opinions against using a Kronos would be appreciated
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