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EVE is boring and it is sucky.

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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#1 - 2012-10-22 10:53:58 UTC
McDonalds. I've been to this franchise all over the planet and pretty much it is the same. Unless you are in some crap hole that only serves a Big Felafel Meal Deal you could be in the same McDonalds pretty much anywhere.

Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing.

Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same.

With some minor distribution aside anything relevant and meaningfully in the game is on everyone's doorstep. Need a particular item? It's likely to be right where you need it or a few jumps to Jita. The mechanics are challenge-less. Anything you will want to quickly do is just a training queue away. Choices are meaningless. The question is only how many diminishing returns you want to invest your time in.

Combat should be dynamic, but you have pretty much all the pieces on the board when you get there. Once the archetypal fits are known, the outcome is a close second.

Why the CCP obsessive compulsiveness with balance? Where is the chaos? Where is the choice?

Some examples…

Billions of people in the known universe and there is no innovation - Why does every ship have to be so uniform with minor tweaking of accepted fits? Why don’t they all have subsystems to foster innovation? Or even the ability to re-assign slots?

Systems strewn across the galaxy and there is no randomness of space – Why are resources effectively equal? Why aren’t some other parts of the galaxy more ore rich? Why not some with ice? Why has scarcity not invigorated trade or warfare?

Where is the specialisation? - Why is everyone equally good at refining? Why is everyone equally good at manufacturing?

A dynamic universe is a healthy universe. I see thousands of worlds where people are running numbers at the margins like ten thousand others. The few who have found a way to differentiate or who can meta game are Kings.

I say, we should unleash the chaos and if required the madness.

CCP - pour in the sand.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-22 10:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit.
For example, giving me your stuff.

EDIT: Alright, you can stop liking this post now.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#3 - 2012-10-22 10:55:44 UTC
0/10

Make a new alt, Known troll :P

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Adoro
Below the Asteroids Ltd.
#4 - 2012-10-22 11:03:05 UTC
Actually, you have a point...
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#5 - 2012-10-22 11:03:09 UTC
In the time it took you to write that load of garbage, you could have found yourself a new game to play.....

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#6 - 2012-10-22 11:06:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit.
For example, giving me your stuff.
No friend, my homogeneous stuff is mine.

Alice Saki wrote:
0/10

Make a new alt, Known troll :P
I don't post with "alts" this is me. Trolling? A harsh claim. Maybe you like the conformity factory that EVE currently is. I however dream of greater things. If that is "trolling" in your book, going against conformity then so be it.

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#7 - 2012-10-22 11:07:01 UTC
Ravnik wrote:
In the time it took you to write that load of garbage, you could have found yourself a new game to play.....
I drank a beer, does that count?
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-10-22 11:07:52 UTC
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#9 - 2012-10-22 11:09:24 UTC
Kane knows how to let your hair down ^_^

Pirate stories Ftw ^_^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-10-22 11:09:49 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


This.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-10-22 11:11:23 UTC
OP has a point: the cancer of "balancing"

Problem: CCP takes forums QQ too serious because they think it's the player base. There might be some good ideas in balancing topics, but the most is more like "whawha my ship needs to be stronger than yours!". 10 ppl post that and claim to be "the majority" or something...

I like innovation, I like choices, but "balancing" is a cancer because it serves only itself...

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-10-22 11:11:26 UTC
The only thing that OP got right was his signature. That much I can agree with.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#13 - 2012-10-22 11:12:18 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.


Ditto that.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2012-10-22 11:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing.

Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same.


Funnily enough, I had a small group of friends at university who loved playing StarCraft. We'd play co-op and FFA, and our favourite FFA map happened to be "Blood Bath". We would play that map dozens of times in any session, and it was always interesting because we'd have randomly assigned race and we had intelligent friends who would not keep trying to use the same tactics every time.

Recently, Elon Musk stated that one of the secrets to being successful is to be able to change your mind and not consistently follow the same set of rules. He works in the same world that we do. He is launching rockets into space. What are you doing with your life?

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: it's not EVE that is boring. It's you.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#15 - 2012-10-22 11:13:20 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-10-22 11:14:10 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.


lol Smart Ass...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-10-22 11:16:23 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.


I don't think there exists enough money to pay CCP if you make a panda character. There is a different game that does that.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#18 - 2012-10-22 11:17:54 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.


lol Smart Ass...
Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic.

I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself.

CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-10-22 11:19:07 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.


lol Smart Ass...
Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic.

I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself.

CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut.


That is bad how exactly?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Ghazu
#20 - 2012-10-22 11:21:51 UTC
Good one, can you do one for WOW?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

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