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EVE Graphics Update

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-10-22 09:39:49 UTC
What really needs to be looked at is the way gas clouds and stuff like that is displayed. It's pretty glitchy.
However, this is the change that's gonna be the nastiest for hardware, I believe.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#42 - 2012-10-22 09:43:25 UTC
I think CCP has full resolution textures on their source models, but they have not made them available in-game probably for some technical reason I'm not aware of.
Creedling
#43 - 2012-10-22 09:49:27 UTC
Agree that higher resolution textures should be there. Other than that, the recent shader updates and the promise of tessellation and better Direct X 11 support is great progress.

After seeing the new destroyer models however, I'd say CCP need to hire new artists as well as present that art using more modern technology.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#44 - 2012-10-22 09:55:01 UTC
I'm quite content with Eve graphics when compared to other MMO's. (Go look at LOTRO, or WoW and ignore the flashy lights that follow your character). However I'm also very looking forward to the projected Eve graphics updates they showcased as in development this year (Hey Op, watch the Youtube video, it says they listened to you... before you even complained, they predicted your future complaint), with real hull map collisions!
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-10-22 10:00:55 UTC
Agreeing that higher textures should be made available. I also understand that Eve is a DirectX9 game and in truth theres only so much you can do with old technology so I cant see the game becoming greatly better visually until DirectX10-11 is written.

Which would probably take a heck of a long time so it wont ever get done.

I also agree with a previous poster, on full HD resolution with everything on high, Eve looks nice very nice but there are things which need updating big time.

1. Asteroids look god awful

2. Gas clouds look really nasty & rubbish - in truth you should be using actual particles to create these clouds.

Miss Teardrop
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-10-22 10:10:53 UTC
EVE is an old game. The graphics have improved since 2004. I appreciate CCP continued work to bring us more. Can it be better if it was made today ? Yes. But then again EVE is an old game.

Let me reiterate. EVE is old by mmo standards. Go look at elder scrolls or some other stuff that came out about same time. This game is not the norm and CCP deal with things that the average gaming company just said no to and let the game shelf itlself instead.

There other option is to make EVE2. From scratch. Flame On
Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#47 - 2012-10-22 11:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Presidente Gallente
Personally I can live with the actual graphics very well because they are looking good enough for most of the situations. In fleets fights I mostly run scaled out and by overview and brackets only. Updating the graphics of EVE is a big, really big task. Especially when you want to keep it on different levels for slow and fast cards.

What I like to see for this game is a Battlerecorder. It's on the community wishlist for ages now and there were several threads about cool features and ideas. It also was discussed with CCP by the CSM a while ago afaik. A Battlerecorder saving the action to a script would be simply awesome. We have a lot of people with high skills in editing and animation and such a tool would give us a completely new dimension of presenting the game content people create. PvP videos would be on a new visual and cinematic level with different pov's and great camera work. Rendering this in higher quality with better effects would give CCP the best ads out there for their game.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-10-22 12:03:56 UTC
kryjak wrote:
London wrote:
kryjak wrote:
Well i can back up my post u said nothing or brought nothing but insults on my tread.


You've clearly missed the point. ^ ^

I think you're concentrating a little too hard on the tiniest details. Obviously if you zoom right in it might be a little blurry (name one game where this doesn't happen :P).

It's like your trying very hard to make it ugly

Your right in most games it does but less you misses my point most games use higher resolution on main objects too witch makes less blur less everythng in negative prospective. As far as me trying hard to make it ugly it speaks for it self ... smallest detail aint so small when it very nodicable.


Jesus murphy son - are you actively trying to sound like a complete moron or what?
They have to be - HAVE TO BE spelling mistakes you are doing on purpose. I'm not sure what answer I'd prefer.

That it's considered cool to spell things wrong or that there are people this dumb in the world.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#49 - 2012-10-22 13:13:36 UTC
I would like to play without ugly "mist". Does anyone know how to get rid of it from client?
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#50 - 2012-10-22 14:57:32 UTC
Here goes screenshot of my typical view during fleet encounter (20 vs 40 in this case) sans interface: http://imgur.com/vos3p - there is no way I can call it "beautiful" or "attractive". It's just ugly.

Upgrade, please.
Xenuria
#51 - 2012-10-22 15:00:18 UTC
Alright now a Xenuria post is happening.


I play games because they are fun but the degree to which they are fun is influenced heavily by how "real" or "immersive" they are. EVE needs some work in the graphical department.

CCP needs to realize that not everybody who plays eve is doing 400+ ship blogs. Some of us like to take screen shots of ship engagements up close and others of us simply enjoy immersing in the world of New Eden.


Perhaps a compromise?

When you zoom in the game seamlessly loads a sharper texture for screenshots and other such things. Then when you zoom out it goes back to the normal texture.

If I had my way they would just pile on the "OPTIONAL" HD ENHANCED SUPER MEGA HOLY **** graphics.

That way nobody complains about anything. The people that want a high end experience can get that and the people that don't can simply ignore the extra option in the graphics menu.
Freezehunter
#52 - 2012-10-22 16:05:00 UTC
It seems that most of you "gamers" out here that say Eve is the prettiest MMO to date have not played:

Guild Wars 2
TERA
Rift
The Secret World

And I am sure there are more examples of MMOS with WAY better graphics than Eve.

Also, DO NOT start that ******** argument that "MMOS can't have good graphics because they are online" or some other ignorant bullshit like that.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Freezehunter
#53 - 2012-10-22 16:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Simetraz wrote:
OP if you were around for the Trinity Expansion (and all the threads about it) you wouldn't be complaining about the graphics.

CCP is improving it but there is a reason why they are not using the latest and greatest and requiring people to upgrade there PC to handle it.

EVE still looks better then any other space game out there, even with the old graphics engine.


The new Sins of a Solar Empire would like to have a chat with you.

X3:Reunion (2005) and Terran Conflict would like to have a chat with you.

Star Citizen would like to have a chat with you.

Nexus: The Jupiter Incident (FROM ******* 2003 and it still has the best effects I've ever seen in a space game so far, sound AND visual!!!!!!) would like to have a chat with you.

A lot of the people talking in this thread should just stop talking out of their ass because it's obvious that they either have a **** PC, they have never played anything but Eve OR they have never played anything but Eve and WoW.

Meanwhile, real gamers like me who have seen pretty much everything the industry has to offer in terms of effects, design, gameplay, sound and graphics will know for sure that Eve looks outdated as **** by comparison to other titles out there, MMO or not.

Some of the replies in this thread remind me of the morons I encountered in WoW / SWTOR day in day out when I used to play those, that swore that WoW / SWTOR were the best looking games ever.

Meanwhile, WoW is losing players by the millions and SWTOR is going F2P.

If CCP wasn't dedicating most of their resources to dust and World of Darkness instead of Eve I wouldn't mind, but when they use MY ******* sub money to fund other **** I am not interested in while letting Eve basically stagnate in it's own **** over the past 3 years, it PISSES ME OFF.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Freezehunter
#54 - 2012-10-22 16:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Xenuria wrote:
Alright now a Xenuria post is happening.


I play games because they are fun but the degree to which they are fun is influenced heavily by how "real" or "immersive" they are. EVE needs some work in the graphical department.

CCP needs to realize that not everybody who plays eve is doing 400+ ship blogs. Some of us like to take screen shots of ship engagements up close and others of us simply enjoy immersing in the world of New Eden.


Perhaps a compromise?

When you zoom in the game seamlessly loads a sharper texture for screenshots and other such things. Then when you zoom out it goes back to the normal texture.

If I had my way they would just pile on the "OPTIONAL" HD ENHANCED SUPER MEGA HOLY **** graphics.

That way nobody complains about anything. The people that want a high end experience can get that and the people that don't can simply ignore the extra option in the graphics menu.


I've just finished Dishonored and although the graphics aren't really 2012 standard in that game, they have an INCREDIBLY smooth texture/object loading method and really good art direction that makes the lack of fancy tech like tesselation irrelevant.

If you switch to another weapon that you have not used in a while, the textures go from low res to med to high res in about 0.5 seconds, same for when you look closely at an object/poster on a wall.

Eve, on the other hand, has no redeeming qualities graphics wise that justify such **** textures, such a horrible LOD system and such low quality effects.

I wish Eve had smooth texture changes like that, like, if you decided to zoom in really close to your ship, the texture would dynamically scale instantly and smoothly to a high res version.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

SAVANT Mahr
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-10-22 16:43:11 UTC
kryjak wrote:
London wrote:
kryjak wrote:
Well i can back up my post u said nothing or brought nothing but insults on my tread.


You've clearly missed the point. ^ ^

I think you're concentrating a little too hard on the tiniest details. Obviously if you zoom right in it might be a little blurry (name one game where this doesn't happen :P).

It's like your trying very hard to make it ugly

Your right in most games it does but less you misses my point most games use higher resolution on main objects too witch makes less blur less everythng in negative prospective. As far as me trying hard to make it ugly it speaks for it self ... smallest detail aint so small when it very nodicable.


I believe the real point is not when is EvE gonna get an upgrade but when is your spelling gonna be upgraded from 4th grade 1995 to H.S. Graduate 2012 Blink
Marcus Harikari
#56 - 2012-10-22 17:14:14 UTC
eve looks beautiful, although too damn bright sometimes
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-10-22 17:23:26 UTC
The graphics are fine, the problem is your own conviction that everything needs to be crysis or it sucks.

Eve will likely get an engine update at some point, but its not super necessary as of now. Look at CQ, the graphics are pretty darn good, in my opinion.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-10-22 17:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Why not simply ask ice la glace to make a dx9dll-mod for EvE ? ^_^

http://icelaglace.com/


Why the hell am i mentioning him ? Because i've spent two days figuring
out how to make GTA IV photorealistic thanks to his mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvbHUpph0k&feature=related


Check this and the others. ^_^


Edit: And whoever compared Crysis to EvE has no clue and should be shot on sight.
Freezehunter
#59 - 2012-10-22 17:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Solstice Project wrote:
Why not simply ask ice la glace to make a dx9dll-mod for EvE ? ^_^

http://icelaglace.com/


Why the hell am i mentioning him ? Because i've spent two days figuring
out how to make GTA IV photorealistic thanks to his mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvbHUpph0k&feature=related


Check this and the others. ^_^


Edit: And whoever compared Crysis to EvE has no clue and should be shot on sight.


Because if you were not utterly clueless, you would know that modding your Eve client is against the EULA and TOS.

And yet you call me clueless.

Also, why the **** not compare Eve to Crysis?
Just because idiots say that an MMO can't look good because "insert bullshit hilariously misinformed reason here"?

Only real reason why MMOS are not made to look like the Crysis / Metro 2033 standard is because most people don't have aweseome computers and that would really **** the player base up, not because of some ******** bullshit technical limitation like "it's online" or some ****.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#60 - 2012-10-22 18:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Freezehunter wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Why not simply ask ice la glace to make a dx9dll-mod for EvE ? ^_^

http://icelaglace.com/


Why the hell am i mentioning him ? Because i've spent two days figuring
out how to make GTA IV photorealistic thanks to his mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvbHUpph0k&feature=related


Check this and the others. ^_^


Edit: And whoever compared Crysis to EvE has no clue and should be shot on sight.


Because if you were not utterly clueless, you would know that modding your Eve client is against the EULA and TOS.

And yet you call me clueless.

Also, why the **** not compare Eve to Crysis?
Just because idiots say that an MMO can't look good because "insert bullshit hilariously misinformed reason here"?

Only real reason why MMOS are not made to look like the Crysis / Metro 2033 standard is because most people don't have aweseome computers and that would really **** the player base up, not because of some ******** bullshit technical limitation like "it's online" or some ****.


I find it interesting that for someone with the breadth of experience you claim to have, you don't understand the differences inherent in how graphics must be handled in a huge multiplayer game compared to single/liimited player games.

Crysis is used as a benchmark for graphics card testing because it is incredibly demanding. It brings many otherwise capable systems and video cards to a crawl. Now multiply that by a 3000 man fleet battle and you begin to understand.

There is certainly room for improvement, indeed that work is constantly ongoing... and discussions about Tesselation have already begun. But you will never get the kind of graphics quality in EVE that you will get in a game that doesn't have the potenttial for thousands of players to be on screen at once.

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