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My huge SECURE cargo was stolen
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Toxic Gerbil
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-21 22:18:49 UTC
hey guys,

i was in 0.8 mining with my secure containers when they where all looted and stolen by another player which will remain nameless. I understand the 0.7 sec requirement to ancor but why doesnt the dam password work when someone else trys to loot??? Is there a way i can report it and make his rating drop so i can put a bount on his head?? what can i do? my current superduper newb mining setup is a iteron III drops containers and my catylist mines with 3x miner II, then iteron comes and empties. please help!

Is there something i can do about the player?

what is a more secure way to mine as a poor newb?


thanks in advance.
Jesuis Cache-Cache
#2 - 2012-10-21 22:31:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jesuis Cache-Cache
I feel your pain. I am new myself and I am overly cautious.

Think about what you would do if it were on the streets of NYC and ...do that.

As far as the other player....A wise man once said..."If you can't please the little miss, don't blame it on the guy who can."

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Oraac Ensor
#3 - 2012-10-21 22:40:01 UTC
Quote:
This Giant container is fitted with a password-protected security lock.

Note: the container must be anchored to enable password functionality. Anchoring containers is only possible in solar systems with a security status of 0.7 or lower.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-21 23:11:01 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Quote:
This Giant container is fitted with a password-protected security lock.

Note: the container must be anchored to enable password functionality. Anchoring containers is only possible in solar systems with a security status of 0.7 or lower.


^ This.

When in 0.8 a container can't be anchored and thus any player can open it or just scoop the entire container.

What you can do to make mining safer:

- 0.7 system and anchor those containers.
- Get a retriever and mine without a container
- Get a 2nd account in an Orca and be a big flying container.


What you can do to the player who stole your container:

- Nothing. Shrug it off and continue playing, in couple of months you will laugh about it and remember the fuzz you tried to make about it back then.

- Hunt him down, suicide gank him if you want too. If he is in player corp wardec him or let someone wardec him for you.

- .... (insert more ideas you can come with here, it's a sandbox)...

Personally, I would suggest the do nothing idea...

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Jesuis Cache-Cache
#5 - 2012-10-21 23:27:39 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
If he is in player corp wardec him or let someone wardec him for you.

As always, great info from you guys.

The "wardec" needs some explanation though, if one would be so inclined to oblige.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2012-10-21 23:38:32 UTC
OP can't wardec as he's in an NPC corp, there are however plenty of mercenaries willing to do it for recompense.

@ Jesuis, a wardec gives a corp the right to destroy another specific corporation without concord intervention in hisec.

It's basically a bribe for concord to turn a blind eye to ganks inflicted on a specific corp.

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Toxic Gerbil
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-10-22 00:55:43 UTC
Hey thanks for the info guys all great advice.

I thought the password would still work for the container even though it wasnt ancored but anyways i guess they could still come and scoop it up but they still shouldnt be able to open it Blink Oh well, another lesson learned.


thanks again !
Kane the Black
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-10-22 04:38:26 UTC
Toxic Gerbil wrote:
...i guess they could still come and scoop it up but they still shouldnt be able to open it Blink



Firstly, welcome to EVE. Smile

As a thief I have to disappoint you in that assumption. They will drop the container in their station hangar and hit "repackage", making the password disappear and the contents are released in the station hangar.

As for suggestions, I'm with J'Poll on this one. There'll be far more complex, challenging and problematic things to experience in EVE. Big smile Losing such a minor thing as a container will look like a forgotten incident in about a month from now. Oh, and who says you cannot simply dabble into a bit of thievery yourself...? Blink

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2012-10-22 20:54:46 UTC
Or get an alt recruited into the offender's corporation, then use your privileges as a corp mate to blow up his ship and pod over and over again.

Just remember that revenge is a dish best served cold.

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Keno Skir
#10 - 2012-10-24 04:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Why are you only using 3 mining lasers on a destroyer with 8 highslots?

EDIT : If ur gonna say it has guns on it too just dont even start typing Straight Go put more mining lasers on it.

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Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-10-24 08:55:35 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Why are you only using 3 mining lasers on a destroyer with 8 highslots?

CPU and capacitor limitations if I'm not mistaken. With whatever skills and fitting tricks it would never be possible to have 8 miners on it.
Besides you mention high slots, whereas it is gun slots that count.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-24 09:17:20 UTC
Jose Black wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Why are you only using 3 mining lasers on a destroyer with 8 highslots?

CPU and capacitor limitations if I'm not mistaken. With whatever skills and fitting tricks it would never be possible to have 8 miners on it.
Besides you mention high slots, whereas it is gun slots that count.


Agree, likely it's his fitting abilities (CPU, PG, Cap) that is the limit

btw, all destroyers have at least 7 if not 8 turret slots:

Cormorant (Caldari) and Thrasher (Minmatar) - 8 highslots with 7 Gun hardpoints
Coercer (Amarr) and Catalyst (Gallente) - 8 highslots with 8 Gun hardpoints.

So try to fit as many miners as you can, or move into mining bonused ships (frigate - though not reliable anymore soon, cruisers, mining barges, exhumers).

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-10-24 16:41:30 UTC
Toxic Gerbil wrote:
hey guys,

i was in 0.8 mining with my secure containers when they where all looted and stolen by another player which will remain nameless. I understand the 0.7 sec requirement to ancor but why doesnt the dam password work when someone else trys to loot??? Is there a way i can report it and make his rating drop so i can put a bount on his head?? what can i do? my current superduper newb mining setup is a iteron III drops containers and my catylist mines with 3x miner II, then iteron comes and empties. please help!

Is there something i can do about the player?

what is a more secure way to mine as a poor newb?


thanks in advance.



1st, if the cans were not anchored, they are not secure
2nd, you need to rethink how you are mining. You can get more from the bonused mining frigates than you will from a catalyst. And if you have taken the time to train into a hauler and a destroyer to mine, why not a mining barge? Or using the mining frigates that have a bonus for mining?

FC, what do?
TehKitteh2
Freakshow Menagerie
#14 - 2012-10-25 21:39:59 UTC
as someone who enjoys can fliping...
i can say this, war decing them will go bad for you... pvp corps will one sidedly sodomise a mining corp that tries to dec them...
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#15 - 2012-10-25 23:23:00 UTC
I like how no-one suggested "join a mining corp."

Seriously. 90% of new EVE-players' problems can be solved by joining a corp. There's a reason it's called an MMO ;)

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Oraac Ensor
#16 - 2012-10-26 00:06:24 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
There's a reason it's called an MMO

Yep, it means there are multiple players involved - nothing to do with corps.
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#17 - 2012-10-26 09:52:29 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Yep, it means there are multiple players involved - nothing to do with corps.


Har, har Lol

The point, of course, is to leverage that "Multiplayer" part of "MMO" to your advantage. The best way for a new player to learn about the varied and sundry dangers of EVE is to learn from other people. And other people can also help to reduce his chosen career's task load (mining and hauling, in this example). And then there's the social aspect of flying with other people, which is just good fun.

The simplest way to ensure the new player has other people around him in EVE is for him to be in an active corp.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2012-10-26 09:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Yep, it means there are multiple players involved - nothing to do with corps.


Har, har Lol

The point, of course, is to leverage that "Multiplayer" part of "MMO" to your advantage. The best way for a new player to learn about the varied and sundry dangers of EVE is to learn from other people. And other people can also help to reduce his chosen career's task load (mining and hauling, in this example). And then there's the social aspect of flying with other people, which is just good fun.

The simplest way to ensure the new player has other people around him in EVE is for him to be in an active corp.


Good advice ^^ from Suddenly Ninjas? Dammit you just crushed my opinion of human nature P

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#19 - 2012-10-26 10:05:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Good advice ^^ from Suddenly Ninjas? Dammit you just crushed my opinion of human nature P


It shouldn't be that surprising - we at Suddenly Ninjas are always bringing the multiplayer experience to people who can't find it for themselves :)

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Be careful what you wish for.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2012-10-26 10:07:59 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Good advice ^^ from Suddenly Ninjas? Dammit you just crushed my opinion of human nature P


It shouldn't be that surprising - we at Suddenly Ninjas are always bringing the multiplayer experience to people who can't find it for themselves :)


I like your style sir Big smile

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