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Six months in Jita

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#81 - 2012-10-20 14:24:01 UTC
Confirming this thread is awesome.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#82 - 2012-10-20 14:46:55 UTC
@Chribba

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in my opinion this shows that spamming, with or without bots isn't being dealt with at all


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02291/__2291411b.jpg Lol

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#83 - 2012-10-20 14:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
really good read... but i dont think ccp will do anything to kill scam bots as they are isk sinks and not faucets... so ccp imo would rather go after mining and ratting bots instead...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Freezehunter
#84 - 2012-10-20 17:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
MeBiatch wrote:
really good read... but i dont think ccp will do anything to kill scam bots as they are isk sinks and not faucets... so ccp imo would rather go after mining and ratting bots instead...


Scammers are not ISK sinks because the money is still present in the economy, it just changes hands.
An isk sink is something that eliminates ISK from the market.
The LP store is an ISK sink.
Insurance is an ISK sink.
Production queue renting is an ISK sink.

Your logic is ****.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-10-20 18:26:04 UTC
wtb visible indicator of how many people are blocking a speaker every time they speak
and a method to supress messages from speakers that are being blocked by N other people

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#86 - 2012-10-20 18:39:20 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
...
Profit.

In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable.


This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-10-20 18:46:24 UTC
Everything is said by Mr Chribba, nothing to add but a big +1

brb
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#88 - 2012-10-20 19:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
I suggest a contracts channel. No matter which channel you link a Contract in, (aside from maybe Private Contracts, or those linked in Corp or Alliance chat), it lands in that one, even if you don't have it open. Lol

I probably said lol about 20 times in Jita local during that period too, though you'd probably have better info on that than my memory is likely to give. Smile
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#89 - 2012-10-20 19:25:10 UTC
What you should do, is check to see if the increment of the posting periods was the same for any characters, then take the graphs of their spoken lines and match them against each other to see if they start and stop on one, then move to another. Identify if they overlap or follow each other with activity that is.

If it's a program, chances are the time increment between posts is going to be the same for most, if not all instances of communication initiated by that program. Of course, time increments are probably easily changed, so it's not going to be identifiable unless they never change it.

Also, you could just see if any are comparable in terms of following one another, (i.e: no periods with overlapping communication between two different spammers), and a host of other possible means of analyzing the data.

Nice work by the way. I'm not sure your time investment is worth it, but it is interesting. 
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Lord Distortion
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-10-20 22:13:57 UTC
Nail on the head but you used he hammer of proof. Twisted
Vae Abeo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-10-21 00:41:28 UTC
And now we play the waiting game...............Eve that is.
Really awesome and interesting read.
Lady Godwynn
Lady Godwynn Corporation
#92 - 2012-10-21 02:39:24 UTC
As a Jita denizen I'd just like to voice my dissatisfaction with the lack of attention that this is getting from CCP.

I could go on and on about other types of bots, but let's stick to the chat-bots for now.

Maybe if CCP notices that these bots are having a noticeable effect on a lot of players' quality of play they'll
see a business reason in stopping them.

LG
Homeboy McJewerson
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-10-21 04:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Homeboy McJewerson
Freezehunter wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
really good read... but i dont think ccp will do anything to kill scam bots as they are isk sinks and not faucets... so ccp imo would rather go after mining and ratting bots instead...


Scammers are not ISK sinks because the money is still present in the economy, it just changes hands.
An isk sink is something that eliminates ISK from the market.
The LP store is an ISK sink.
Insurance is an ISK sink.
Production queue renting is an ISK sink.

Your logic is ****.
Sales tax and Brokers fees in jita station goto the house right? Contracts with isk values in them provide an isk sink (I can not argue to how much though) because they create taxable transactions.

I would be a fan of a monetary penalty instead of ban hammers. The cloak gag thing would be interesting. What about charging people a rising cspa charge for the number of lines they use in a period of time in local? It can be a very small charge but on the average "spammer" its going to start costing them and they will be forced to focus on smarter quality chat posts rather than quantity posting.

Also that spam ladder and blank block chat posts are not helping - @#$% those guys too. Shocked
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-10-21 10:27:30 UTC
Still waiting for a CCP response on this.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#95 - 2012-10-21 10:52:18 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Still waiting for a CCP response on this.
Don't hold your breath mate.

CCP will continue to be willfully blind to this as a sub is a sub.
Lord Leftfield
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-10-21 10:58:57 UTC
Chribba for president! Big smile

Hard to say if ccp needs the revenue of subs from bots? Most likly these bots have spammed their way into some kind of selfsustainancy. In my opinion, not putting down a thougher stand in the main hubs against local spamming, hurts the game. This is considering most new pilots will at some point travel to jita. Spam bots is ******* up peoples game expirience! Hurf Durf..

Life is just a 420 all the way home :) Please give me more of that chocolate brew!!
DJ DeLaMuerta
Weird Science Inc.
#97 - 2012-10-21 11:10:35 UTC
Its a shame it took a player to point this out to CCP! Should have been sorted a long time ago!

Awesome job Cribba! :)


Over to you CCP!


Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#98 - 2012-10-21 11:14:07 UTC
DJ DeLaMuerta wrote:
Its a shame it took a player to point this out to CCP! Should have been sorted a long time ago!

Awesome job Cribba! :)


Over to you CCP!


Why would they act?
McFukinPate
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-10-21 11:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: McFukinPate
Shizuken wrote:
Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland...Oops


Not a chance mate. Those a55wipes are happy with the way it is.
Adm Bullok
Unleashed Pestilence
Black Rise Matters
#100 - 2012-10-21 12:32:24 UTC
<-- Gets the feeling our space would be a better place were this man employed @ CCP.