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Duality Open Period - 19/10 to 23/10

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#101 - 2012-10-20 23:52:10 UTC
Z1gy wrote:
Duality feel a bit slow/sluggish - will this affect us doing mission running?


If you use drones, you will sometimes wonder if the game has lagged out, when you try to launch or recall them.
I ran 5 missions, and the last 3 were deadly slow.
Some people have stated that TiDi has kicked in.

But if your connection is stable, you should be OK.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#102 - 2012-10-21 03:48:11 UTC
Pissed off/defensive devs and players-- yep, I sure want in on this testing stuff... NOT.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#103 - 2012-10-21 09:00:47 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Pissed off/defensive devs and players-- yep, I sure want in on this testing stuff... NOT.


Well, then you have nothing to complain about when the feature is released.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#104 - 2012-10-21 10:40:25 UTC
Z1gy wrote:
Duality feel a bit slow/sluggish - will this affect us doing mission running?


Duality is running virtualized at the moment, so it can feel slower than TQ, Sisi or Buckingham. We will likely add some hardware to it for the mass test on Monday so that performance metrics are accurate.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#105 - 2012-10-21 10:54:16 UTC
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#106 - 2012-10-21 10:57:52 UTC
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#107 - 2012-10-21 10:59:08 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#108 - 2012-10-21 11:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?

Mining drone AI has not changed. The rat AI has but anything under level 4 missions has not changed much.

The control for your own drones has not changed alt all.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#109 - 2012-10-21 11:02:44 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?

Mining drone AI has not changed. The rat AI has but anything under level 4 missions has not changed much.

The control for your own drones has not changed alt all.


If that is true, then I won't probably be able to test level 5 missions since I am not very high in skill. What is this time dialation thing?
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#110 - 2012-10-21 11:10:11 UTC
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?

Mining drone AI has not changed. The rat AI has but anything under level 4 missions has not changed much.

The control for your own drones has not changed alt all.


If that is true, then I won't probably be able to test level 5 missions since I am not very high in skill. What is this time dialation thing?


Well level 5 missions are inteded to be run by groups anyways, so good luck trying run it solo...

Time dialation is ccp answer to problem they cant code arround... Ie masssive fleet fights caused massive lag on nodes, so they came up this streching time option to keep fight fair. So everyones mods cycle and gns fire on right ticks, etc....

There was time when large fleet fights was playable, then ccp messed up something and still havent been able to figure it out and large fleet fighs was untolerable... Then came this time streching thingy...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#111 - 2012-10-21 11:11:23 UTC
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?

Mining drone AI has not changed. The rat AI has but anything under level 4 missions has not changed much.

The control for your own drones has not changed alt all.


If that is true, then I won't probably be able to test level 5 missions since I am not very high in skill. What is this time dialation thing?

Its a way for the server to handle heaver user load becouse this server is on a smaller and not in a TQ standerd configuration it is not working nornaly. TIDI is turned off but server load is still cousing lag.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#112 - 2012-10-21 11:15:24 UTC
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
There is a mining frigate, but no ore frigate skill book. Can't test ore frigate.

Its on the market but not seeded in the testing zones.

Sorry first time testing. I wanted to test the AI for Mining drones for the mining frigate if that part of the A.I. testing or is it something else?


What you could test is how mining drones behave with pirates at belts. Unfortunately the mining frigate is not available for testing at this time, but any ship with a drone bay can achieve the same test. Just go to a belt with rats in a few different sizes of ship and see how the pirates attack you/your drones.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#113 - 2012-10-21 14:13:36 UTC
Duality getting a new build? Its down.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#114 - 2012-10-21 14:14:34 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Duality getting a new build? Its down.


Not a new build no, we're trying to address the performance issues.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#115 - 2012-10-21 14:15:41 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Duality getting a new build? Its down.


Not a new build no, we're trying to address the performance issues.

kk

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#116 - 2012-10-21 14:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Habakuk
Duality is at the moment down for improving the server performance. It was running out of memory and we assume that this might have caused (or at least contributed to) the sluggish performance. Let's see how the server performs with increased memory.

Time dilation is being triggered sometimes by this sluggish performance and in some cases it is not recovering correctly on virtualized test servers - we will be turning it off for the mass test tomorrow.

(beaten by Goliath - i need to type faster)

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

Bug reporting | Mass Testing
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#117 - 2012-10-21 14:38:19 UTC
Duality is back online.

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

Bug reporting | Mass Testing
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#118 - 2012-10-21 14:39:39 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


How about you read the actual AI feedback thread where all afternoon and evening I posted up precisely the info you described.

I read some of your feedback, did you fly anything else than an Ishtar? Might be worth checking out the results if you fly a Domi

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#119 - 2012-10-21 16:15:55 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


How about you read the actual AI feedback thread where all afternoon and evening I posted up precisely the info you described.

I read some of your feedback, did you fly anything else than an Ishtar? Might be worth checking out the results if you fly a Domi


How about you climb into a Domi and test?
I just checked the actual feedback thread.
Since I last posted about way over 12 hours ago, zero people have added to that thread.
There are currently a whopping 30 people on Duality.

When I was arguing with Goliath I stated that I was planning on hammering Duality and flooding that feedback thread.
But that was before I realized that the AI is broken when it comes to Heavy Drones.
Read my posts on Heavies.
Someone else posted that they lost a Heavy, but I cannot get the AI to attack mine.

Today, I plan on grinding about 30M on TQ (daily amount needed to pay for a monthly plex, since I reduced myself to one account when Soundwave extended the war against high sec), watching New England dismantle New Jersey, and then trying a Mach out on Duality.

But I am not going to bust my butt when the AI is broken, the dev responsible for the AI (Fox Four), is nowhere to be seen, and clearly the Eve customers can't be bothered to test it.

Besides, Goliath has stated several times he does not care one whit if drone operation in missions is utterly destroyed. He only cares in there are glaring errors in the code. And I have already posted a non-AI issue in the feedback threads. But I doubt that it will be noticed since it is glaringly obvious that Goliath plans on ignoring my comments.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#120 - 2012-10-21 18:03:53 UTC
The feedback you are posting is for Team Five 0 - Foxfour et al. Don't worry about what I do and do not read, how many people are on the test server, or what other people are saying to you on the forums. Also, please stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you for your efforts testing though - you may think I don't appreciate it, but I really do!

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath