Wormholes

This would work and is the concept of "mooring" that was in the other threads ... as long as the player remains in multi-player space, instead of just having some placeholder ship object while the player is relocated to a single-player environment. I still think there should be some sort of proximity-based zone of protection around the new-POS, even if access to station services depends on mooring. I'd definitely love to know why they want to get rid of force fields; maybe we collectively could come up with possibilities for them to explore to make it efficient and streamlined.

Stations came first, so the code is structured around stations. But since they're going to be touching the code, they should take the focus away from single-player environments and focus on the multi-player environment. You can always treat a single-player environment as a special case, but it's not as easy to make it work well the other way around.

The only two things that we wouldn't have would be actual ship spinning -- especially if they take away force fields instead of reimplementing them to be something less hacked-on -- and Incarna. I haven't been able to think of a way to provide what w-space residents want out of w-space while still offering Incarna features, though I do admit to having an aversion to space barbies.

Incidentally, if ships had to moor themselves to carriers, etc., before they could use the fitting and storage services, that would be an interesting development. I can see this happening if proximity-based access to "station services" was removed in favour of mooring. Are you in battle and want to re-fit your ship on the fly? You have to come to a full and complete stop for the duration :) (Detatching should propel the detaching ship some short distance away, instead of bumping the carrier in this case)


Either do it right, or don't do it. Since every corp is operated differently and has different needs, we need a robust and flexible system. Basing everything on a small number of pre-defined roles is not flexible enough. We have wedged the square pegs into the round holes, but it wasn't always as easy or efficient as it could have been. Eventually the shared-POS work-around will run out of spare moons.

Like with station services, the simple needs would be a special case of the more complex offerings. Theoretically, you would be able to configure access based on Trials, Members, and Directors, and just use that for everything, while others would be able to define and provide more specific levels of access as needs dictate.

The only issues I have that weren't mentioned in the OP are permissions and management of items. It can be a real pain in the butt to find what I'm looking for because there isn't a way to search all the hangars in a starbase. There also needs to be better roles management. Ideally a POS would have a "locker" for each corporate member. It's only accessible by a single member as well as people with specialized roles, i.e. directors and CEO. You would, of course, have corp hangars as well, but the fact that we don't have lockers, quarters, or something for an individuals items is awful. Corporate theft and misplacing trust is something that is expected to happen even with the best security, but if you don't trust someone there's only one effective method to implement security in Anoikis space: kicking and podding them to hisec.

Improving life in WH is a two-edged sword. Yes it will make life in WH easier, but at the same time, these days it's mostly the inconvenience of living in a WH what keeps it 'hardcore'.

For instance better corp hangar management will result in less risk of corptheft, but at the same time this is something that keeps a lot of corporations from settling in W-space. Yes, these more targets is always nice, but it would also mean a lot more competition on the market for T3 goods.

So be very careful here, because convenience is death to the relevance of player skill and its rewards.

My main fear is that CCP will slowly morph WH to be more and more like Null Sec. There's more to the uniqueness of WHs than just no local and variable connectivity.

The corporation structure that's needed to successfuly run a WH is unique. The business deals rely more on trust and word (as there are no contracts or market). *This* is a good thing in my opinion as it makes WH corps a tighter knit group than other Eve corps IMHO. The logistical challenges in WHs are challenging parts of the game and challenges players to capitalize on opprotunities more.

There's a lot of uniqueness to WHs atm and I would hate to see CCP morph it into Null-sec without local.

yk

I think that fixing ECM would go a long way to making low-class WHs less intimidating; Tier3s should have been this counter-move, but were negated by dickstars :P

That and the fact that there's a variety of combat styles from the capitals based combat to mainly cruisers/frig combat all available depending on which class one chooses to inhabit. And thank goodness that Supercaps are out of the picture. CCP did it right when they made WH the first time, and for once this isn't something that they don't need to tweak much.

yk

As someone who absofuckinglutely loves the glass cannon BCs, I say yes please to babydreads.

Everything else in this discussion I also agree with, I'm in favor of a POS revamp but please oh please don't give us docking games. I'd much prefer a proximity-based forcefield, though I do admit the idea of being able to moor my ship to a POS and sit around with my corpmates' avatars while we shoot the **** on comms is attractive.

That said, give us FiS first. WiS would be nice but is definitely not a need for WH space right now.

Considering there has been no word or update from CCP or the the CSM since the CSM summit it would be very good to get an update on how things are travelling or if design concepts have altered at all.

An update would be good considering the massive amount of feedback this subforum has given on the changes, at most times in opposition to the views of our WH CSM rep.

Perhaps said CSM rep could you know like update his blog every now and then......

Most of the issues mentioned already would apply to your idea - visibility, i.e. enemies being able to see how many people/what they're in, docking games, etc

I doubt they're devoting much time to a Soon(TM) feature behind the scenes when they have a little over a month left until Retribution. I'm hoping for an update sometime in February.