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What is the real problem people have with High Sec?
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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#381 - 2012-10-20 17:45:59 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
the real problem is all the assholes in low/null chased everyone out so now they're whining and crying to have everyone forced into low/null so they can shoot them.


No, the real problem is that there's no incentive to fight back against the assholes in low/null while there's every incentive to grind isk in highsec. The real problem is that the people who pvp in null have no incentive to do anything but pvp there so long as there's highsec to take care of their PVE and manufacturing needs.

On other MMOs with world pvp (and even WoW's pvp servers back before pvp there became instanced cross-server bullshit gear grinds), when someone screwed with enough people's attempts to PvE, they got together and beat the tards down, or at least chased them out of the area (doesn't matter how l337 you are when you have 30+ bears zerging your ass).

Griefers in game (and IRL) tend to give up fairly quickly when it becomes obvious their prey is working together and there's a risk they'll get their face punched in. This pattern is in every single game and it's true for EVE whenever a small griefer corp learns the hard way that the carebear alliance they just decked is going to come looking for them with every available member every time they log in rather than just sitting back to let them pick off mission/miners. Yes, with insta-undocking cloakies they can't be killed, but if enough time goes by without them getting tears/ransoms/kills they'll move on to an easier target.

I'm of the opinion that anyone that insists on repeatedly calling another group of people "assholes" is more than likely the ******* themselves.

Greifers in real life?

People work together to stop gankers in MMO's?

People in null don't want PvE? Funny how even some of the guys that run the alliances and null sec corps have been asking CCP to allow them to install mission agents, because they obviously don't want any pve in null.

I love the way some of you high sec guys know more about null and what null players want than we do.

You probably think CCP sees your posts and start high fiving in the office because "someone" gets it. Sadly, you haven't a ******* clue what you're talking about. You keep spouting out how we're a bunch of assholes though, you're a pillar of your high sec community.

Anyone else noticed, the most beligerent posts in this thread haven't been from low and null sec players, it's the high sec guys being rude and belligerent, stating that all we want are poeple to gank. Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#382 - 2012-10-20 18:02:22 UTC
Let's now try to fool our selves here.
At the very core of this the whole "to much isk in HI sec" crap.
These whiners want to lower the Income in HI sec to draw players to low sec under the guise of some how bettering the game and community. When in fact the truth is and always has been they want people in low sec so that they will have more targets to gank.

What purpose does forcing all miners to go low sec do ?
It doesn't create PVP as a Hulk can't fight back it just provides a kill mail and that's what allot of these people think the game is about. Mission runners doesn't provide to much of a real fight even if you catch them out of site they are not fitted for PVP.
If you catch them in site (scan them down) you are just going to gank them anyways as they will have agro from the room.

So non of this does anything but provide kill mails, you guys have no interest in the economy are most are probably oblivious to how the games economy even works. I am pretty sure if you really wanted some real pvp you could find it.
EVE has such a great platform but one of the worst player communities in MMO history.
Very few people have the full games interest in mind they want CCP to tend to their agendas and if CCP dare implement something else to the game that does not fit into their play style people ***** and moan like little spoiled children who think they are entitled to something.

News flash guys HI sec is not going anywhere nor is the Income of ISK and things like FW in Hi sec and Incursions proves this. Do you think CCP spent all this DEV time making this HI sec content just to take it out of the game?
You are out of your head if you think or are waiting for HI sec to go away, It just simply is not going to happen.

They will not implement choke points between trade hubs, they will not implement roid belts considered as null, they will not make lvl 4 missions only in low sec, they will not make Hi sec smaller and confined to only a few systems, nor will Hi sec be a Gankers ("PVP") haven for people who suggest that if you are in HI sec and off a gate or station (out of concord site) concord will not get involved.

Every example I just listed I have read on these forums over the past 2-3 days these are things actual players have suggested. CCP just like any other company is about profits they are going to implement small changes here and there to make it look like they are for one side or the other just to get people to settle down for a short while.
If you are playing EVE and waiting for the day anything like the above examples to happen you might as well just quit.

I do not know how many times I have to say it .
They real problem some people have an issue with Hi sec is it provides less targets to gank and get Kill mails they have no greater interest for the game other than this, and they have no real interest in PVP (ganking a hulk is not pvp they can not even fight back) it just provides that KD ratio your all after..
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#383 - 2012-10-20 18:10:51 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Carebear whine.



Because CCP didn't change the way missions paid out some time ago in an effort to make running missions in low and null worth more than runnign them in high.

CCP has already shown that they don't intend for high sec to be the best place to run missions. The blind don't seem to understand this.

CCP didn't get the intended results when they restructred mission agents, because there are few places in null to actually run missions. Allow corp ceo's to install mission agents into stations in null that pay better than missions in high sec and people might actualy do more pve in null which will lead to more pvp and people flying around systems that no one currently flies in.

And of course we want more targets, but you need to keep targets in null and you don't do that with no incentive. You need peopel to have things other than pvp to do in null, and there's very little of that potential when most of the non pvp and mining stuff is religated to a few systems.

Nor do we want your whinny ass in null, we want people who want to be there, not a bunch of bitchy little brats who seem to think that PvP is da debil!
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#384 - 2012-10-20 18:13:45 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Anyone else noticed, the most beligerent posts in this thread haven't been from low and null sec players, it's the high sec guys being rude and belligerent, stating that all we want are poeple to gank. Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


So tell us then why do you want people to move out of Hi sec? Why do you want more player traffic in low / null. ?
Self entitled brats? HAHA this entire thread and most of the post on these forums are about how HI sec needs to be nerfed or go away completely.

Don't come on here with this and think you are the all high and mighty who just totally derailed this entire thread.
This is a typical strategy people tend to call a Red herring, were as you have nothing useful to provide you come in here with an attempt to bash other posters but try to make it look like something else.

How did you come up with
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


?? I do not see anywhere on here where the HI sec player base are the ones complaining about imbalance.
This entire thread derived from Low/Null sec players wanted to completely revamp the game with regards to HI sec and in some cases remove it completely.

The fact is it is the Null / low / bitter vets who are the ones who are self entitled and think everything should go there way.
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#385 - 2012-10-20 18:23:47 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:


News flash guys HI sec is not going anywhere nor is the Income of ISK and things like FW in Hi sec and Incursions proves this. Do you think CCP spent all this DEV time making this HI sec content just to take it out of the game?
You are out of your head if you think or are waiting for HI sec to go away, It just simply is not going to happen.



No, you're out of your head if you don't know that incursions in highsec were recently nerfed hard, or if you think that FW is a high-sec activity. 100% of your examples fail. Sorry. CCP has already said they're going to fix the imbalances relating to industry and trade that people have been complaining about more recently, it's just a long process. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#386 - 2012-10-20 18:28:12 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


CCP has already shown that they don't intend for high sec to be the best place to run missions. The blind don't seem to understand this.


There are other means to making ISK much great In null then in HI Ratting pays out more then missions.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

CCP didn't get the intended results when they restructred mission agents, because there are few places in null to actually run missions. Allow corp ceo's to install mission agents into stations in null that pay better than missions in high sec and people might actualy do more pve in null which will lead to more pvp and people flying around systems that no one currently flies in.

I am pretty sure it is working as intended.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

And of course we want more targets, but you need to keep targets in null and you don't do that with no incentive. You need peopel to have things other than pvp to do in null, and there's very little of that potential when most of the non pvp and mining stuff is religated to a few systems.


The lack on incentive could be put in the hands of the gankers also.
The Incentive to goto Low or Null is there Better mining belts , Ratting , LVL 5 missions
How ever the incentive gets taken away when you throw gankers / griefers into the mix.
Want more people in low stop ganking and gate camping so damn much.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Nor do we want your whinny ass in null, we want people who want to be there, not a bunch of bitchy little brats who seem to think that PvP is da debil!


I fail to see where I am whining at all in fact just about everything I have posted suggest against that.
I have never called for a non pvp game or for pvp to be removed. I have basically said things are working just fine.
CCP did put things in the game to draw to Low / Null sec as mentioned above
Ratting / plexing / better mining / LVL 5 agents. It's all there all of it plenty of incentive.
Where that incentive disintegrates is when you add the player factor into the game.
The incentive to not get ganked will forever out weigh all of this if you are only a PVE player.

I have long said EVE has a fantastic format with the sandbox it allowed people to play the way they see fit.
you pick and misquote me on one thing and try to turn what I have said completely around and make it look like something it is not. Great attempt poorly executed how ever.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#387 - 2012-10-20 18:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Cazador 64 wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Anyone else noticed, the most beligerent posts in this thread haven't been from low and null sec players, it's the high sec guys being rude and belligerent, stating that all we want are poeple to gank. Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


So tell us then why do you want people to move out of Hi sec? Why do you want more player traffic in low / null. ?
Self entitled brats? HAHA this entire thread and most of the post on these forums are about how HI sec needs to be nerfed or go away completely.

Don't come on here with this and think you are the all high and mighty who just totally derailed this entire thread.
This is a typical strategy people tend to call a Red herring, were as you have nothing useful to provide you come in here with an attempt to bash other posters but try to make it look like something else.

How did you come up with
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


?? I do not see anywhere on here where the HI sec player base are the ones complaining about imbalance.
This entire thread derived from Low/Null sec players wanted to completely revamp the game with regards to HI sec and in some cases remove it completely.

The fact is it is the Null / low / bitter vets who are the ones who are self entitled and think everything should go there way.

The **** is wrong with you?

First, I live in null, and do zero "concensual" pvp, in otherwords when I'm involved in pvp it means that I got blown up and podded in an industrial ship or a shitfit frigate moving supplies from one station to another. Damn near every SP on this guy is in Industry, trade, and science. When you see me in null, odds are I won't be flying anything that can shoot you, even when it's a ship that can be fitted to shoot.

You see, contrary to what some of you high sec know-it-alls think, not everyone in null is there to "gank" people, not all of us are there just for pvp. Not all of us are there for pvp, but we don't cry about it.

All your little rants are litterally, waahhhh pvp!

You've got to be bloody ******* stupid to think that we don't want more people to be in null. We want them to shoot, to shoot with us, to mine, to run anoms, to rat, and for me specifically, to buy my ****. If you're not in null, blowing stuff up or mining then I don't have the **** I need to build the **** you need to be there. OF COURSE we want more people in null.

The problem isn't we want more peopel to shoot, it's your ****** ******* attitude that insists on breaking it down to it's very base of "you just want more people to shoot." No **** sherlock, null wouldn't be null if there wasn't people to shoot.

Of course we want more, but not just to shoot at.

I want more, bettter, and easier access to pve in null so that there is a reason for people to not just come, but stay. Null is not just for pvp, you still need non player generated content to keep people busy when they aren't shooting each other, and the more people that come and stay the more people that will be shooting each other and the better the market gets.

PVP is the most important mechanic in ALL of EVE. High, low, or null, pvp is THE backbone of the game. Without it the market doesn't work. Stop ******* crying about it.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#388 - 2012-10-20 18:29:22 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:


News flash guys HI sec is not going anywhere nor is the Income of ISK and things like FW in Hi sec and Incursions proves this. Do you think CCP spent all this DEV time making this HI sec content just to take it out of the game?
You are out of your head if you think or are waiting for HI sec to go away, It just simply is not going to happen.



No, you're out of your head if you don't know that incursions in highsec were recently nerfed hard, or if you think that FW is a high-sec activity. 100% of your examples fail. Sorry. CCP has already said they're going to fix the imbalances relating to industry and trade that people have been complaining about more recently, it's just a long process. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


Ok if you say so.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#389 - 2012-10-20 18:35:40 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:


News flash guys HI sec is not going anywhere nor is the Income of ISK and things like FW in Hi sec and Incursions proves this. Do you think CCP spent all this DEV time making this HI sec content just to take it out of the game?
You are out of your head if you think or are waiting for HI sec to go away, It just simply is not going to happen.



No, you're out of your head if you don't know that incursions in highsec were recently nerfed hard, or if you think that FW is a high-sec activity. 100% of your examples fail. Sorry. CCP has already said they're going to fix the imbalances relating to industry and trade that people have been complaining about more recently, it's just a long process. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


Ok if you say so.


And he's right.

It's your own inability to follow and understand what CCP has been doing.

They changed the way missions agents worked specifically to increase the pay in the more dangerous parts of EVE and to entise people to go those agents.

When people are PvE in high sec, to pvp in null, there's a serious imbalance. CCP has already recognized it, they arleady attempted to adjust it, and they have plans to further incentivize playing in low and null, and some of those things are actually designed to allow us to make more money in null.

And what part of, there are no agents in the stations in most of null didn't you pick up on? You're litterally funnelled into specific systems to run mission agents. Null sec corp CEO's have been asking for some time to be allowed to put mission agents in stations, or for CCP to do so.


You only see what you want to see because it's working the way you want. You want high sec to be the safest, most profitable place to play.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#390 - 2012-10-20 18:40:50 UTC
Respect. Cool

Ordinarily these threads boil down to the argument between this side vs that side with very little actual "practical" solutions being offered up between insults and personal attacks.

This thread is slightly different in the fact that Goonswarm's Natsett Amuinn presented the idea about null sec CEO' being able to install agents in the stations they control as a way to get more PvE in null sec.

I do a lot of diverse things in EVE to keep things fresh and to have fun in Hi-sec and WH's. This change proposed by Natsett Amuinn has to be the best idea I have seen yet that would in fact peak the interest of someone like myself that just does not do the null sec deal at all.


It is so good it needs it's own thread in the suggestions area and does not deserve to be buried on page 20 in between a personal argument IMHO of course.

Peace and Love.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#391 - 2012-10-20 18:41:49 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Anyone else noticed, the most beligerent posts in this thread haven't been from low and null sec players, it's the high sec guys being rude and belligerent, stating that all we want are poeple to gank. Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


So tell us then why do you want people to move out of Hi sec? Why do you want more player traffic in low / null. ?
Self entitled brats? HAHA this entire thread and most of the post on these forums are about how HI sec needs to be nerfed or go away completely.

Don't come on here with this and think you are the all high and mighty who just totally derailed this entire thread.
This is a typical strategy people tend to call a Red herring, were as you have nothing useful to provide you come in here with an attempt to bash other posters but try to make it look like something else.

How did you come up with
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Typical of the self entitled brat who thinks everything should work their way, and only their way.


?? I do not see anywhere on here where the HI sec player base are the ones complaining about imbalance.
This entire thread derived from Low/Null sec players wanted to completely revamp the game with regards to HI sec and in some cases remove it completely.

The fact is it is the Null / low / bitter vets who are the ones who are self entitled and think everything should go there way.

The **** is wrong with you?

First, I live in null, and do zero "concensual" pvp, in otherwords when I'm involved in pvp it means that I got blown up and podded in an industrial ship or a shitfit frigate moving supplies from one station to another. Damn near every SP on this guy is in Industry, trade, and science. When you see me in null, odds are I won't be flying anything that can shoot you, even when it's a ship that can be fitted to shoot.

You see, contrary to what some of you high sec know-it-alls think, not everyone in null is there to "gank" people, not all of us are there just for pvp. Not all of us are there for pvp, but we don't cry about it.

All your little rants are litterally, waahhhh pvp!

You've got to be bloody ******* stupid to think that we don't want more people to be in null. We want them to shoot, to shoot with us, to mine, to run anoms, to rat, and for me specifically, to buy my ****. If you're not in null, blowing stuff up or mining then I don't have the **** I need to build the **** you need to be there. OF COURSE we want more people in null.

The problem isn't we want more peopel to shoot, it's your ****** ******* attitude that insists on breaking it down to it's very base of "you just want more people to shoot." No **** sherlock, null wouldn't be null if there wasn't people to shoot.

Of course we want more, but not just to shoot at.

I want more, bettter, and easier access to pve in null so that there is a reason for people to not just come, but stay. Null is not just for pvp, you still need non player generated content to keep people busy when they aren't shooting each other, and the more people that come and stay the more people that will be shooting each other and the better the market gets.

PVP is the most important mechanic in ALL of EVE. High, low, or null, pvp is THE backbone of the game. Without it the market doesn't work. Stop ******* crying about it.


Did you not read my post or are you just incapable of comprehension?
At what point did I suggest any changes to Null or low?
At what point did I ever say null doesn't have its rewards?
I gave very clear examples of what CCP has done to try to compensate the NULL / LOW player.
I also gave examples as to why the Mission runners / Miners of HI sec have little incentive to go to Null or Low.

CCP has made the attempts to make NULL more profitable (and it is by a long shot you don't see trillionaires mining and running lvl 4s in HI sec.) NULL can generate Trillions of ISK from better plexing mining both belts and moons things that are exclusive to Low/ Null sec.
In every way null has the potential to be more profitable and I have never suggested in any other way that is shouldn't.
Hi sec has lvl 4's Low has lvl 5s. HI sec has missions Null has ratting that pays out WAY more isk then L4s do.
Hi sec has mining null sec has way better mining.
CCP has done there end and I have clearly said why the incentive quickly goes away when you introduce the griefers.

I am not calling all PVP griefing but if you think griefing doesn't happen you are out of your flipping mind.
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#392 - 2012-10-20 18:47:04 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
[?
Ok if you say so.


Yes, obvious facts like FW being a lowsec activity are true...but only because I say they are.

0/10, not mixing enough truth into the troll for believability.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#393 - 2012-10-20 18:50:55 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
Respect. Cool

Ordinarily these threads boil down to the argument between this side vs that side with very little actual "practical" solutions being offered up between insults and personal attacks.

This thread is slightly different in the fact that Goonswarm's Natsett Amuinn presented the idea about null sec CEO' being able to install agents in the stations they control as a way to get more PvE in null sec.

I do a lot of diverse things in EVE to keep things fresh and to have fun in Hi-sec and WH's. This change proposed by Natsett Amuinn has to be the best idea I have seen yet that would in fact peak the interest of someone like myself that just does not do the null sec deal at all.


It is so good it needs it's own thread in the suggestions area and does not deserve to be buried on page 20 in between a personal argument IMHO of course.

Peace and Love.


Yup and I've never said HI sec should be more profitable ever..
Give me one example of where I said that Hi sec needs to pay out more then LOW/Null and I will give all my stuff away on all my accounts and delete my characters.

The fix to this issue is not nerfing or removing HI SEC
And except for one person who had suggested buffing NULL everyone else is crying for HI SEC nerfs.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#394 - 2012-10-20 18:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Cazador 64 wrote:


Did you not read my post or are you just incapable of comprehension?
At what point did I suggest any changes to Null or low?
At what point did I ever say null doesn't have its rewards?
I gave very clear examples of what CCP has done to try to compensate the NULL / LOW player.
I also gave examples as to why the Mission runners / Miners of HI sec have little incentive to go to Null or Low.

CCP has made the attempts to make NULL more profitable (and it is by a long shot you don't see trillionaires mining and running lvl 4s in HI sec.) NULL can generate Trillions of ISK from better plexing mining both belts and moons things that are exclusive to Low/ Null sec.
In every way null has the potential to be more profitable and I have never suggested in any other way that is shouldn't.
Hi sec has lvl 4's Low has lvl 5s. HI sec has missions Null has ratting that pays out WAY more isk then L4s do.
Hi sec has mining null sec has way better mining.
CCP has done there end and I have clearly said why the incentive quickly goes away when you introduce the griefers.

I am not calling all PVP griefing but if you think griefing doesn't happen you are out of your flipping mind.

GTFO of here, you're so full of ****.

None of the garbage you wrote has anything to do with my issues with null, or even the realities of what you can make in null compared to highsec.

No trillionaires in high sec? WTF, really? You're delusional.

PS: Once again, allow us to install mission agents that pay more than high sec ones, in all stations in null to draw more people into null so that it's MORE fun. Dafuk, I'm not even complaining about what you can make in high sec, just that null kinda sucks compared to high sec when you consider you can just run missions uniterupted and without worry in high sec and then come to null to pvp with the isk you made. That's a reality, you can argue against it. I know for a fact that it is happening.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#395 - 2012-10-20 18:56:08 UTC
Imports Plus wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
If you read this article here http://themittani.com/features/vision-thing

It gives a really good idea of the problems with 0.0 ~Then, we see the recent changes over the last year to high sec (alchemy, mining barges, the upcoming criminal thing, hell even FW since most everyone made an alt to get in on that too.)

It's like every other area of the game gets sheltered, and coddled and buffed and polished whereas 0.0 gets kicked in the balls. The hardest place to live gets harder. That's my problem with high sec.

what? 0.0 is trash, broken, boring, too hard, too whatever bla bla.

And that's your problem with highsec?

Well I'll be......


The risk vs. rewards are clearly skewed, but thats ok- defend your afk botting empire to the death!



Another silly claiming: high sec bots yada ya.

So, are you CCP Shreegs alt or someone with same accreditation level to come here spit you poison?

If you don't you're just another random pawn, claiming everything brainless paws claim without an ounce of evidence because it's easy: bot

See it? me to can say it, and here it is another time be sure you could read it: bot
But still sure you have no clue about it.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#396 - 2012-10-20 18:59:01 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
No trillionaires in high sec? WTF, really? You're delusional.



Of course tehre are, you must know by now those are previous low/null sec overlords and for most of the actual one still running they're still low/null sec overlords and their alts hiding behind concord safety.

You're just too silly to figure out the "big picture".

brb
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#397 - 2012-10-20 18:59:44 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:


Did you not read my post or are you just incapable of comprehension?
At what point did I suggest any changes to Null or low?
At what point did I ever say null doesn't have its rewards?
I gave very clear examples of what CCP has done to try to compensate the NULL / LOW player.
I also gave examples as to why the Mission runners / Miners of HI sec have little incentive to go to Null or Low.

CCP has made the attempts to make NULL more profitable (and it is by a long shot you don't see trillionaires mining and running lvl 4s in HI sec.) NULL can generate Trillions of ISK from better plexing mining both belts and moons things that are exclusive to Low/ Null sec.
In every way null has the potential to be more profitable and I have never suggested in any other way that is shouldn't.
Hi sec has lvl 4's Low has lvl 5s. HI sec has missions Null has ratting that pays out WAY more isk then L4s do.
Hi sec has mining null sec has way better mining.
CCP has done there end and I have clearly said why the incentive quickly goes away when you introduce the griefers.

I am not calling all PVP griefing but if you think griefing doesn't happen you are out of your flipping mind.

GTFO of here, you're so full of ****.

None of the garbage you wrote has anything to do with my issues with null, or even the realities of what you can make in null compared to highsec.

No trillionaires in high sec? WTF, really? You're delusional.

PS: Once again, allow us to install mission agents that pay more than high sec ones, in all stations in null to draw more people into null so that it's MORE fun. Dafuk, I'm not even complaining about what you can make in high sec, just that null kinda sucks compared to high sec when you consider you can just run missions uniterupted and without worry in high sec and then come to null to pvp with the isk you made. That's a reality, you can argue against it. I know for a fact that it is happening.


OMFG bro please take a moment to ******* READ and REREAD if needed. I HAVE NEVER ******* SAID THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MISISONS OR MEANS OF MAKING ISK IN NULL.
I have suggested that nerfing HI sec is not the fix.

None of what you wrote has anything to do with what I've said.
You may not be complaining your self about HI sec ISK but this thread has 18 other pages of people crying for a HI sec nerf.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#398 - 2012-10-20 19:07:38 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Yup and I've never said HI sec should be more profitable ever..
Give me one example of where I said that Hi sec needs to pay out more then LOW/Null and I will give all my stuff away on all my accounts and delete my characters.

The fix to this issue is not nerfing or removing HI SEC
And except for one person who had suggested buffing NULL everyone else is crying for HI SEC nerfs.

Respect. Cool

Simmer down mate, I am not here to argue or fight with you or anyone else. All I said was Natsett Amuinn's idea HAS merit and deserves it's own light and not to be forgotten or buried in the argument between you two.

His suggestion is not to nerf Hi sec but to buff null sec PvE in a significant way that "might" encourage others with interest to give null sec a try.

I think that is a GREAT suggestion. YMMV.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#399 - 2012-10-20 19:09:01 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
No trillionaires in high sec? WTF, really? You're delusional.



Of course tehre are, you must know by now those are previous low/null sec overlords and for most of the actual one still running they're still low/null sec overlords and their alts hiding behind concord safety.

You're just too silly to figure out the "big picture".

That is a product of TIME.

I'm pretty sure that Chribba isn't playing in null, and if he's not a trillionaire by now, then....wow.

It isn't, High sec pays more, it's null doesn't pay more compaired to what you can do in high sec given the amount of risk.
There is also less activity, system by system than you'll find in high sec, and that's not good either.

Barren systems.
Limitted PvE due to a lack of agents and the funelling of players to specific system to access agents.

The regular rank and file guys are not going to make considerably more than you can in high sec. You've got less access, and considerably more interuptions.

It's the EASE in which you can earn in high sec that's the problem. That can't be fixed though, but you can incrase the ease in null by simply making some things more accesible, like mission agents.

I do not think people are going to null to run mission. Obviously most are here for pvp, but they need things to do in down time, and there's simply not as much as compaired to high sec. That needs correcting.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#400 - 2012-10-20 19:11:46 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:


Did you not read my post or are you just incapable of comprehension?
At what point did I suggest any changes to Null or low?
At what point did I ever say null doesn't have its rewards?
I gave very clear examples of what CCP has done to try to compensate the NULL / LOW player.
I also gave examples as to why the Mission runners / Miners of HI sec have little incentive to go to Null or Low.

CCP has made the attempts to make NULL more profitable (and it is by a long shot you don't see trillionaires mining and running lvl 4s in HI sec.) NULL can generate Trillions of ISK from better plexing mining both belts and moons things that are exclusive to Low/ Null sec.
In every way null has the potential to be more profitable and I have never suggested in any other way that is shouldn't.
Hi sec has lvl 4's Low has lvl 5s. HI sec has missions Null has ratting that pays out WAY more isk then L4s do.
Hi sec has mining null sec has way better mining.
CCP has done there end and I have clearly said why the incentive quickly goes away when you introduce the griefers.

I am not calling all PVP griefing but if you think griefing doesn't happen you are out of your flipping mind.

GTFO of here, you're so full of ****.

None of the garbage you wrote has anything to do with my issues with null, or even the realities of what you can make in null compared to highsec.

No trillionaires in high sec? WTF, really? You're delusional.

PS: Once again, allow us to install mission agents that pay more than high sec ones, in all stations in null to draw more people into null so that it's MORE fun. Dafuk, I'm not even complaining about what you can make in high sec, just that null kinda sucks compared to high sec when you consider you can just run missions uniterupted and without worry in high sec and then come to null to pvp with the isk you made. That's a reality, you can argue against it. I know for a fact that it is happening.


OMFG bro please take a moment to ******* READ and REREAD if needed. I HAVE NEVER ******* SAID THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MISISONS OR MEANS OF MAKING ISK IN NULL.
I have suggested that nerfing HI sec is not the fix.

None of what you wrote has anything to do with what I've said.
You may not be complaining your self about HI sec ISK but this thread has 18 other pages of people crying for a HI sec nerf.



I'm not saying you're saying anything else.

I pointed out the calling of null sec players, of which I am one, assholes, and the implication that we ONLY WANT people to shoot at. Those things are wrong, unfair, and frankly dickish of you to state.