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Little idea draft: a smallish commodity based fund

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#61 - 2012-10-19 17:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Grendell wrote:
It's unlikely I will be available "October 21st (Sunday), at 9pm EvE time" to claim my reservation in the open ended easy fund which appears to be capped at 40b. So that I guess is good news for everyone else who might want to invest in that portion.

I will try to show up, but it's just not likely. If not good luck to everyone else!


If you wish I can reserve for you. However I'd like to give the chance for several Investors to take part of the investment.

I suppose you know you can also apply to be Market Maker in the closed end fund even if you won't sell a single share while still benefitting from the entry discount, right?

Also, in case I don't get the closed end fund to the hard cap, I may simply enlarge the open end fund to cover the gap.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#62 - 2012-10-20 09:01:20 UTC
Small update and change

Both the ISK and mails (orders) will have to be sent to VEMEX.
You can indeed just type VEMEX and right click on it so it maps to the full name.

Always make sure it maps to

Vahrokh's EVE's Merchantile Exchange

and nothing else. Because people will make lookalike corps and characters to steal you.
Elegbara
White Wolf Enterprises
Harmonious Ascent
#63 - 2012-10-20 15:45:52 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
@Elegbara please re-post your offer when the reservations will start. There will be a dedicated thread for that.
Will do.

Open your eyes. And awaken.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#64 - 2012-10-20 16:50:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
Please be my delegate too, and reserve 20B. Thanks!


Please specify the exact basket.
I need to know before the IPO is launched (see next post) else this delegation request cannot be executed.


Still waiting on Nanatoa to post the preferred funds for the reservation.
Nanatoa
#65 - 2012-10-20 16:57:26 UTC
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. I thought you weren't taking reservations until the thread was posted?

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#66 - 2012-10-20 19:38:03 UTC
Posting to confirm VV will be acting as delegate for me with 20b.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#67 - 2012-10-20 19:38:10 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. I thought you weren't taking reservations until the thread was posted?


You asked me as delegate, in order for me to reserve you your spot I need to know how much ISK to put on the minerals fund and/or ice and/or T2 and/or PI fund and/or "Simple fund" (the open ended).
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#68 - 2012-10-20 20:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I have good news for those who would want to try the closed funds.

I have implemented short selling!

Unlike regular trading, short selling involves up to four parties and margin trading.

In order to short sell an Investor will have to deposit 25% of the current stock value as margin. I will setup the various parties with no additional involvement for the Investor.

Example: a share costs 2M and you want to short sell 10 of them, this means that you have to deposit 5M as margin.

If the market goes against you, it counts against your margin. If you are losing enough that you are losing (5M - exchange trading fees) in value you'll get a margin call and the exchange will begin automatically closing your positions.

In RL and in VEMEX, "closing the positions" means buying (since we are short selling, to close the trade you have to buy stock) with market orders. If no order is present, the automatic 90% share current value redeeming mechanism will take effect.

At the moment short selling is limited to 2B per fund.
Vargan Armer
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-10-20 20:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vargan Armer
Oh, Vaerah can you be my delegate? 250m on the mineral fund and 250m on the T2 fund please as a market maker please Big smile
Nanatoa
#70 - 2012-10-20 20:12:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You asked me as delegate, in order for me to reserve you your spot I need to know how much ISK to put on the minerals fund and/or ice and/or T2 and/or PI fund and/or "Simple fund" (the open ended).


Sure, but I don't see the difference between having you as a 'delegate' and straight-out reserving stuff.

Since there's plenty of interest, I'd like you to reserve 10B spread evenly across the first four funds, as a market maker.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#71 - 2012-10-20 20:18:23 UTC
Vargan Armer wrote:
Oh, Vaerah can you be my delegate? 250m on the mineral fund and 250m on the T2 fund please. :)


Ok, but I can't take further delegations from now on.

List of my delegations:

Samroski => 10b equally across all the 4 closed funds i.e. 2.5b each.
Vargan Armer => 250m on the mineral fund and 250m on the T2 fund
Grendell => 20b on open end fund
Nanatoa => 10B spread evenly across the first four funds, as a market maker.


Nanatoa wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You asked me as delegate, in order for me to reserve you your spot I need to know how much ISK to put on the minerals fund and/or ice and/or T2 and/or PI fund and/or "Simple fund" (the open ended).


Sure, but I don't see the difference between having you as a 'delegate' and straight-out reserving stuff.



This is why I am not taking further delegations. I meant it as "emergency button" for those unable to attend to the reservations not as a default way to do things.
Vargan Armer
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-10-20 20:20:24 UTC
Thanks Vaerah, the time is a bit awkward for me so I can't attend :)
Out of interest when do we have to send you the money? When the thread is up, or whenever is best for us or...?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#73 - 2012-10-20 20:45:09 UTC
Vargan Armer wrote:
Thanks Vaerah, the time is a bit awkward for me so I can't attend :)
Out of interest when do we have to send you the money? When the thread is up, or whenever is best for us or...?


After the reservations are closed I will tell to send money. You'll have 3 days since reservations closure to do so, then the reservation is void and the next in queue (if any) will be taken.
Towaoc
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#74 - 2012-10-20 23:57:22 UTC
VV, late to the party here, but I'm interested in your project and hoping to be timely enough to buy in to a couple of your funds tomorrow when the formal reservation period opens up. My initial investments will most likely be small, a billion or so per fund invested, as tracking investments to be able to follow your progress.


I am curious as to the role and responsibilities of a "market maker" as opposed to, say, an "institutional investor". In my mind, the distinction would be as follows: An "institutional investor" would be one that makes a relatively large investment, but does so in their own interest, generally with the intent to hold the investment for a relatively long period of time, or exectue trades against their position purely for their own account. Such an investor might be given a modest IPO discount, maybe 25 basis points or something, reflective of the size of the initial commitment. A "market maker" would have the responsibility to maintain meaningful buy an sell orders in the open market, with reasonable spread and prices reflective of the fair market value of the securites, such that a retail investor could at any time place an order and have it filled by a market maker in the secondary market. A more substantial IPO discount might be offered to incent "market makers" to take on this role.

Would you clarify these roles?

Thanks, Tow
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#75 - 2012-10-21 05:41:27 UTC
Towaoc wrote:
VV, late to the party here, but I'm interested in your project and hoping to be timely enough to buy in to a couple of your funds tomorrow when the formal reservation period opens up. My initial investments will most likely be small, a billion or so per fund invested, as tracking investments to be able to follow your progress.


I am curious as to the role and responsibilities of a "market maker" as opposed to, say, an "institutional investor". In my mind, the distinction would be as follows: An "institutional investor" would be one that makes a relatively large investment, but does so in their own interest, generally with the intent to hold the investment for a relatively long period of time, or exectue trades against their position purely for their own account. Such an investor might be given a modest IPO discount, maybe 25 basis points or something, reflective of the size of the initial commitment. A "market maker" would have the responsibility to maintain meaningful buy an sell orders in the open market, with reasonable spread and prices reflective of the fair market value of the securites, such that a retail investor could at any time place an order and have it filled by a market maker in the secondary market. A more substantial IPO discount might be offered to incent "market makers" to take on this role.

Would you clarify these roles?

Thanks, Tow



Hello Towaoc, long time no see!

In order to be able and keep this initiative understandable by an audience of (advanced) gamers I had to apply a number of simplifications.
The most substantial one is the lack of distinct kind of shares: no class A, class B etc. since it'd just have mudded the waters a lot.

The other is a shallow implementation of the market structure. I suggest reading this influential "Trading Exchanges: Market Microstructure for Practitioners" book by Larry Harris I reviewed on my website.
This less than complete implementation is due to the lack in EvE of several key market participants: liquidity providers, brokers, dealers, exchanges (I am talking of non NPC operated ones). Therefore I have to play some roles myself and give other roles to other players. They are indeed advanced players but I can't demand them to really setup their own brokerage and re-quote stock for their own customers. Or, in case of ETF, I can't pretend to have them buy immense "creation units"
.
In the current iteration a market maker (MM) is similar to a public bond market maker: they front buy a large amount of shares at discount and then place them in the same secondary market along with everybody else. Their revenue comes from the discount that let them resell. In fact this is a cause of the typical initial 10% dip in those securities right after launch.

If I'll see enterprising people willing to become a true MM then I can change the current implementation to suit them, but I see this as highly unlikely. The typical large EvE Investor just wants to dump huge heaps of ISK onto something pseudo-automatic, not to get crazy managing his own sub-market.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#76 - 2012-10-21 10:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Update

I am frantically mashing my keyboard to meet the deadline.

Follow the currently available documents:

VEMEX Exchange small description and fees. Notice that nothing is being changed with respect of what's been already discussed above, including any costs.

I'll edit this post as new stuff becomes available.


VAHFT description and available products.
As of now the links to the securities discussed in this thread point to nothing, it's just a well formatted listing.

The Easy Fund prospectus is now available.
Towaoc
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#77 - 2012-10-21 13:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Towaoc
Thanks, VV, for the clarifications offered above. You have wisely chosen areas in which to taylor your market infrastructure to suit the EVE application. Even in it's abbreviated form, the project is a very ambitious undertaking. Good luck with your final preparations and I look forward to the project's launch!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#78 - 2012-10-21 14:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Adaptive Minerals Basket Fund prospectus is now available at this location.

Adaptive Ices Basket Fund prospectus is now available at this location.

Adaptive Tech 2 Fund prospectus is now available at this location.

Adaptive Planetary Interaction Fund prospectus is now available at this location.

Funds official listing is now available under Products, at this location.
Elegbara
White Wolf Enterprises
Harmonious Ascent
#79 - 2012-10-21 15:59:22 UTC
Got a question.

What's a "sale fee" for closed-end funds and why is it different across funds (4% for PI and T2, 3% for ice, 2% for minerals)?

Open your eyes. And awaken.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#80 - 2012-10-21 16:02:12 UTC
Elegbara wrote:
Got a question.

What's a "sale fee" for closed-end funds and why is it different across funds (4% for PI and T2, 3% for ice, 2% for minerals)?


It's the fee for selling shares (unlike RL, there's none for buying them). Prices differ due to the inherent risk at dealing with smaller markets. A fund of this size will have to spend more (more trades => more NPC broker fees, just to state one factor) to offload illiquid stock than easily sold minerals.