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Goons ganking Freighters, should I worry?

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-10-20 12:57:14 UTC
I do several AFK trips in my Charon every week, long trips of 10-25 jumps, sometimes longer, carrying cargo worth well under 1 billion at all times.

Yet I've heard that the Goons are starting to gank Freighters at a massive rate, often just for the lulz. How worried should I be? Hauling while not AFK makes no sense to me, because it's painfully boring, yes well known courier services like Red Frog are too expensive for my profit margin.

What can/should I do?
Doddy
Excidium.
#2 - 2012-10-20 13:41:21 UTC
Well if your cargo is low valued like you say the only reason they would kill you would be if you posted something on eve-o about it.

Oh dear.

In all seriousness just avoid the gank systems if you can, don't afk, keep cargo value down, don't annoy goons.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-20 13:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
Salpad wrote:
[...] yes well known courier services like Red Frog are too expensive for my profit margin.


Wat.

I find that hard to believe. If true, you are doing something seriously wrong.

EDIT: Wait, you are the guy with the Merlins, right? You should probably just move your place where you produce the things. Get within 4 jumps of the market hub of your choice and give RedFrog or whoever 3 mill whenever you can fill up a freighter with Merlins or whatever.

Also, sell your freighter and get a few decent blueprints for the money which are more profitable than random frigs. Start your market research by looking at Rigs, Destroyers and Cruisers.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Lord Xander
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-10-20 16:48:43 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I do several AFK trips in my Charon every week, long trips of 10-25 jumps, sometimes longer, carrying cargo worth well under 1 billion at all times.

Yet I've heard that the Goons are starting to gank Freighters at a massive rate, often just for the lulz. How worried should I be? Hauling while not AFK makes no sense to me, because it's painfully boring, yes well known courier services like Red Frog are too expensive for my profit margin.

What can/should I do?



Well not this, now we will kill you just for the lolzzz.

We will see you some where AFK.
And you will see the inside of a station.

Have fun playing EVE-ONLINE.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#5 - 2012-10-20 17:09:58 UTC
your worried about being ganked?

In eve?

Preposterous!

Just name your freighter "Full of Plex" and get over your fears once and for alltime.
Aziesta
Dark Tech Inc
#6 - 2012-10-20 17:56:22 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Hauling while not AFK makes no sense to me, because it's painfully boring

Then guess who's fault it'll be if you get ganked? If you can't be bothered to play the game, then you have no room to complain when other people who are playing the game take advantage of you.
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#7 - 2012-10-20 19:21:26 UTC
Worried? No. Cautious? Very. More so if you choose to traffic through systems like Uedama, Niarja, and of course, Jita. If you find it boring put a movie on or something. If you've got an alt you can web/warp. They're up to almost 300 freighters in the last couple of months. If you're flying one -- you're a potential target.

Personally I support the ganking, too many stupid people out there hauling too much and they need to be taxed for their actions.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2012-10-21 00:17:02 UTC
When feeling especially paranoid, I'll click on the system before Uedama or Niarja, and set a route for a random station that I'll AFK to.

Never had a freighter attacked. I currently own 6 Charons.
Katrez
Hydra Enterprises
#9 - 2012-10-21 15:16:31 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I do several AFK trips in my Charon every week..

I would certainly be worried now.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#10 - 2012-10-21 16:11:26 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When feeling especially paranoid, I'll click on the system before Uedama or Niarja, and set a route for a random station that I'll AFK to.

Never had a freighter attacked. I currently own 6 Charons.


Are 1.0 and 0.9 systems safer than 0.5 ones, in terms of suicide ganking?
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#11 - 2012-10-21 16:33:44 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When feeling especially paranoid, I'll click on the system before Uedama or Niarja, and set a route for a random station that I'll AFK to.

Never had a freighter attacked. I currently own 6 Charons.


Are 1.0 and 0.9 systems safer than 0.5 ones, in terms of suicide ganking?


Concord response time is longer in lower security systems such as a 0.5 compared to a 1.0 or 0.9 where you're going to get lit up faster than you can say roast chicken. The difference is that it takes more people in a higher security system as you don't have that buffer to get off more cycles of your guns.
sodney
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-10-21 17:45:35 UTC
Doddy wrote:


In all seriousness just avoid the gank systems if you can, don't afk, keep cargo value down, don't annoy goons.


most ganking systems, are ganking systems because they arent avoidableIdea
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#13 - 2012-10-22 15:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Lord Xander wrote:
Salpad wrote:
I do several AFK trips in my Charon every week, long trips of 10-25 jumps, sometimes longer, carrying cargo worth well under 1 billion at all times.

Yet I've heard that the Goons are starting to gank Freighters at a massive rate, often just for the lulz. How worried should I be? Hauling while not AFK makes no sense to me, because it's painfully boring, yes well known courier services like Red Frog are too expensive for my profit margin.

What can/should I do?



Well not this, now we will kill you just for the lolzzz.

We will see you some where AFK.
And you will see the inside of a station.

Have fun playing EVE-ONLINE.


And this is why myself and many other players have dedicated forum alts. Although this is an old and some what active character, all my combat, miner, and PI mains and alts are not connected to this character or corp.

Posting on the forums with your main is an open invitation for anyone who disagrees with you, to gank you.

Why make yourself a target? I don't believe I have ever pissed anyone off enough for them to hunt me down. But why risk it.

Another advantage is when asking for advice on keeping your assets or POS safe, especially in low/null it is a good thing for those reading your post on the forums, to not be able to use a locator agent on the toon you posted with to determine where those juicy assets might be, and hunt you down.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-10-22 15:58:01 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When feeling especially paranoid, I'll click on the system before Uedama or Niarja, and set a route for a random station that I'll AFK to.

Never had a freighter attacked. I currently own 6 Charons.


Are 1.0 and 0.9 systems safer than 0.5 ones, in terms of suicide ganking?


Concord responds faster in higher-sec systems, so they're "safer" in that respect. But I've seen freighters go down in .8 systems, so safety is relative. If the gankers want your freighter down, it's going down. Plan accordingly and don't carry stupid amounts of wealth in your hold.

Rule of thumb: never carry more cargo than the freighter itself is worth. At present that's right around 1.5B. I personally never carry more than 1B ISK worth of goods or materials in my freighter. (I use it mainly for hauling minerals around anyway; for more valuable stuff, I use the Orca.)
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#15 - 2012-10-22 17:01:19 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Rule of thumb: never carry more cargo than the freighter itself is worth. At present that's right around 1.5B. I personally never carry more than 1B ISK worth of goods or materials in my freighter. (I use it mainly for hauling minerals around anyway; for more valuable stuff, I use the Orca.)


I try to always carry under 900M ISK. Under 650M when possible.
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#16 - 2012-10-22 17:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Backfyre
Idris Helion wrote:
Rule of thumb: never carry more cargo than the freighter itself is worth. At present that's right around 1.5B. I personally never carry more than 1B ISK worth of goods or materials in my freighter. (I use it mainly for hauling minerals around anyway; for more valuable stuff, I use the Orca.)

Recent kill board data shows you can gank a freighter with 7 brutix. That makes the "break even" point around 600M (less if they use destroyers). If you have a tasty tidbit or two or they are bored, they may "roll the dice" for less... The orca's hidden hold is a good solution.

At the very least, one should manually pilot through the gank pipe. Not sure it really helps much, however, since it takes 30s to align for your next jump and you can get "bump scrammed" in the meantime.

It all boils back to fundamental Eve rules:

* Don't fly more than you can afford to lose
* Don't walk through the ghetto at night exclaiming how glad you are that you just got paid in cash.
Kult Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-10-22 17:41:52 UTC
toss me some isk and ill scout for you. >.>

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GreenSeed
#18 - 2012-10-22 18:20:54 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When feeling especially paranoid, I'll click on the system before Uedama or Niarja, and set a route for a random station that I'll AFK to.

Never had a freighter attacked. I currently own 6 Charons.


Are 1.0 and 0.9 systems safer than 0.5 ones, in terms of suicide ganking?


they will kil you in a 1.0 if they are bored enough.

look at it this way, for every freighter alt who autopilots 10bill+ past Uedama and gets killed, they can afford to kill 9 other freighters for fun instead of profit.
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#19 - 2012-10-22 18:53:22 UTC
If you really want to go all-out for safety, you could have another ship go with you, flown by an in-corp alt (assuming you're NOT in an NPC corp) ... a Rapier would be perfect for the role. Have the freighter WTZ, Rapier locks and webs it into warp. 3-4 webs should get you away pretty fast. If you do this, be aware of the 60-second gate lockout, though.

It's too bad you can't really use a Vigilant for the purpose, but the extra reach is really needed...
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2012-10-23 14:25:04 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:

At the very least, one should manually pilot through the gank pipe. Not sure it really helps much, however, since it takes 30s to align for your next jump and you can get "bump scrammed" in the meantime.


What are the gank pies? Uedama I think I've heard about. Jita? Jita can't be avoided (I'm a trader) but I can autopilot to a neighbour system then gate in and dock manually, udock and warp to gate manually, then back to autopilot.

[quote=Backfyre][quote=Idris Helion]It all boils back to fundamental Eve rules:

* Don't fly more than you can afford to lose
* Don't walk through the ghetto at night exclaiming how glad you are that you just got paid in cash.


The problem is, it seems as if a lot of other traders do fly Freighters on autopilot. Because if they fly manually all the time, or pay for couriers, then they wouldn't be able to make any significnat profit producing stuff.
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