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Six months in Jita

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Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#41 - 2012-10-19 20:30:01 UTC
Connaght Badasaz wrote:
79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.

That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.

Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.

This question has been asked of CCP before:

"Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?

I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. "

With this reply:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The first question is one I haven't FULLY researched but the general consensus is that removing bots actually increases CCP's income because we have more happy customers. The idea that we would want people to bot for $15 is a false one, though I could see why some people would leap to that conclusion.
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-10-19 20:31:34 UTC
Kinroi Alari wrote:

Hmm...
If I block the top 100, Jita might seem quiet --
Nice! Smile


This was my first thought. This ends up being like a spam block list. Thanks Chribba!

Connaght Badasaz wrote:
79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.

That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.

Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.


79k? Are you lumping the entirety of players who have said something in local in Jita over the last 6 months in with the couple dozen who Chribba is calling out for using macros to the detriment of the game? Because, if so, that would be a straw man argument.

ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised Big smile I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man Cool


I'm continually baffled why spam can get temp bans elsewhere in Eve, but Jita has seemingly been exempted because it has passed some threshold into "too dirty to clean." Hopefully more is done than taking a look at the statistics Chribba put together.
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-19 20:37:07 UTC
I think it's bullshit that Jita has the most market volume of all the trade hubs. Maybe they should just link the 4 big hubs or something similar to the effect. I don't want to travel out there for something; Dodixie and the other three should have about the same stuff!
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-10-19 20:38:55 UTC
The real test is, Will the CCP devs do anything?

No, these people pay their subscription, they wont ban them.

FC, what do?
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-10-19 20:43:43 UTC
Reticle wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Muffini wrote:
too much time on your hands chief


ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve

I believe you worded this wrong, or are you implying he's RMTing ?

I think all the Concordokkens have shaken your brain. He's referring to all the website traffic and ad revenue. Though I personally doubt it keeps him from having to work.



I don't care if it makes him personally rich, and the ads bought him a Rolls with a garage bigger than my house. I use the heck outta his 3rd party sites, and they've been consistently around, unlike many other out of game helpful sites.

/request if you want to, you can host something like the now defunct EvEMining Buddy, and I'd be willing to pay a sub:D /endrequest

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#46 - 2012-10-19 20:46:39 UTC
Connaght Badasaz wrote:
79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.

That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.

Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.


Not banning bots because they pay subscription fees is a very short-sighted business strategy. CCP actually tends to err more on the other side, looking too far ahead, ignoring the short-term.

I think CCP mostly ignored bots over the years, because they simply underestimated their impact on the economy.

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Connaght Badasaz
Lewis and Clark Inc.
#47 - 2012-10-19 21:32:27 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
Kinroi Alari wrote:

Hmm...
If I block the top 100, Jita might seem quiet --
Nice! Smile


This was my first thought. This ends up being like a spam block list. Thanks Chribba!

Connaght Badasaz wrote:
79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.

That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.

Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.


79k? Are you lumping the entirety of players who have said something in local in Jita over the last 6 months in with the couple dozen who Chribba is calling out for using macros to the detriment of the game? Because, if so, that would be a straw man argument.

ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised Big smile I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man Cool


I'm continually baffled why spam can get temp bans elsewhere in Eve, but Jita has seemingly been exempted because it has passed some threshold into "too dirty to clean." Hopefully more is done than taking a look at the statistics Chribba put together.



Even if a tenth of them were full on bots

You may have missed that part

Take arrows in the forehead, never the back
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-10-19 21:47:36 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
I think it's bullshit that Jita has the most market volume of all the trade hubs. Maybe they should just link the 4 big hubs or something similar to the effect. I don't want to travel out there for something; Dodixie and the other three should have about the same stuff!

You must have brain damage or something.
If you don't want to go there, then just don't go there !
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-19 21:58:34 UTC
i always had this feeling there was scams and bots in jita

and with chribba's new data, my theory is confirmed

:)
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-10-19 22:12:55 UTC
some of those words are me, I said lol a few times in jita.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#51 - 2012-10-19 22:22:08 UTC
There has never been a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

One of the nice things about Dodixie and Amarr is (while Amarr does have some bots) there is more social activity.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#52 - 2012-10-19 22:42:24 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland...Oops
Who are unlikely to do much.

A sub is a sub.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#53 - 2012-10-19 23:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Ryan
Willow Standford Jita ISK spamer

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-10-19 23:41:40 UTC
So we know that bots can go for 100+ days and say hundreds of thousands of spam lines before CCP will ban the account. Fantastic.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-10-19 23:52:21 UTC
IB4 Sreegs "macro is not a bot no way no how /throwhandsupinair"
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-20 00:05:22 UTC
I've been hanging out in jita lately. Sometimes I click on all the offered contracts and try to spot scams. Most are easy...most are scams. In fact I'm always surprised when I find one that is legit. It make me wish I had the isk to reward the real deal.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#57 - 2012-10-20 00:30:15 UTC
One of the reasons I don't like jita, I try to avoid going there and shut my chat box down for duration of visit.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-10-20 01:12:44 UTC
thank you Chribba


your input is very important!


eve is not for bots. it kills the gameplay. CCP set bot use to bannable offense. It slowly deteriorates and kills your game universe.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2012-10-20 03:24:57 UTC
Jita is quite an interesting place, huh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#60 - 2012-10-20 03:51:18 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
This question has been asked of CCP before:

"Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?

I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. "

With this reply:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The first question is one I haven't FULLY researched but the general consensus is that removing bots actually increases CCP's income because we have more happy customers. The idea that we would want people to bot for $15 is a false one, though I could see why some people would leap to that conclusion.
The first question actually is not that at all. It would have to be is a macro that repeats a message in Jita once every minute or so a bot, or just a macro. Where's the line and is it bannable?

If so, the real question is why doesn't CCP act with so much overwhelming evidence that has been playing out for years.

Sreegs has never had a Jita local chat actually been free of bots to test this "happy place" hypothesis. Seems like just a random motherhood statement.

The OpEd answer is that CCP would never ban hammer a large percentage of their user base. Too much money to lose over a fairly minor irritant. Yeah, they might slam a few to "make a point" but not many. And not this 79K number being bandied about.

Bottom line, learn to live and love the Jita spam, CCP needs it.