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The new bounty system, and "death marks" for hisec miners
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-10-19 16:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
tl;dr: the new bounty system gives the ability to mark any hisec miner for death by putting only a 20 mil ISK bounty on their head. Thoughts?

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So, the new bounty system offers partial bounty payouts on ship kills, equal to 10% of the ISK lost by the target. This payout decreases the total value of the bounty. So, let's look at some numbers:

A gank-fit Catalyst (neutron blasters, prop/point, and damage) costs about 2-3 mil ISK. Let's call it 2.5 mil ISK.

A Hulk hull is hovering at just below 200 mil ISK. Let's toss the fittings in and call that a straight 200 mil. The payout for killing one of these? 200/10 = 20 mil ISK. In Catalysts? 20/2.5 = 8. So, as long as the gankers use fewer than 8 Catalysts, they will be making money.

Other "profitable ganking" margins in the same vein:

  • Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 7 Catalysts; think that's enough to break a Mack's tank?
  • Covetor (~35 mil) = ~2 Catalysts
  • Retriever (~25 mil) = 1 Catalyst


You can replace the Catalyst with a Thrasher if you like artillery alpha more (for 0.9 and 1.0 sec ganking). The payout for each of these is more than enough to fund and even profit off of suicide ganking, even after the mining buff.

The question, of course, is "who would put bounties on miners?" Other miners (who wish to not be ganked themselves, and try to get more attention on others), trolls with far too much money to spend, and other people who wish to see hisec mining become a more "active" activity (James 315?). It also makes Hulkageddon far, far easier to distribute rewards for (I'm looking at you, Goonswarm).

As icing on the cake, bounties can be placed not only on individual miners, but on mining corps, too -- which leads to an indirect bounty on all members.

So... is this a welcome change? How do you think it will affect hisec? Is it a "stealth nerf" to mining? Will this mark the return of Hulkageddon Forever?

Discuss.

Edit: Apparently I fail at reading. The bounties devblog clearly states 20%, not 10%, as the intended payout rate. So, in light of that, some revised figures for how many destroyers a gank can pay for:


  • Hulk (~200 mil) = 16 destroyers
  • Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 14 destroyers
  • Covetor (~35 mil) = 4 destroyers
  • Retriever (~25 mil) = 2 destroyers


Thanks go to Shederov Blood for pointing this out. Shederov, I didn't reply to your mail beause I have better things to do with 1 mil than pay your CSPA charge.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2012-10-19 16:55:55 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
tl;dr: the new bounty system gives the ability to mark any hisec miner for death by putting only a 20 mil ISK bounty on their head. Thoughts?
Excellent.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-10-19 16:57:37 UTC
Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-10-19 16:58:28 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^

The payouts apply to pod kills too. Killing a 1 billion ISK pod pays out 100 mil ISK (so long as the existing bounty is big enough to cover it).

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2012-10-19 17:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
You can put a bounty on a whole corp? Well if the bounty system allows people to put bounties on anyone, I guess a lot of people won't even care about making a profit. Some people will just gank them because they can.

Oh god.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-10-19 17:02:22 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
You can put a bounty on a whole corp? Well if the bounty system allows people to put bounties on anyone, I guess a lot of people won't even care about making a profit. Some people will just gank them because they can.

The devblog implied that corp bounties would exist in order to be able to pay out bounties for, for example, killing a POS. Killing loads of miners works too, though.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#7 - 2012-10-19 17:04:19 UTC
Looking forward to encouraging ganking on shiny Incursion fleets.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-10-19 17:04:32 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^

The payouts apply to pod kills too. Killing a 1 billion ISK pod pays out 100 mil ISK (so long as the existing bounty is big enough to cover it).

Yes, of course, but nobody will put a bounty on ALL the pods around,
especially those who are autopiloting.

That, btw, doesn't imply that bountypods don't autopilot. This actually happens.
I've shot an autopiloting, 20 Million ISK bountypod once.

The dumbest of the dumb.

Congratulate me.

Thank you. ^_^
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2012-10-19 17:06:01 UTC
That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2012-10-19 17:07:27 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD.
No. Bounties have no effect on CrimeWatch.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2012-10-19 17:10:20 UTC
I guess I should read about how it works.

Oh god.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#12 - 2012-10-19 17:10:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD.


negative
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-10-19 17:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
I;m looking forward to it.


Eve is harsh


HTFU or GTFO

FC, what do?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#14 - 2012-10-19 17:12:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD.
No. Bounties have no effect on CrimeWatch.

This.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#15 - 2012-10-19 17:15:24 UTC
I can't find it in F&I.

Oh god.
Pandorium9
Pandorium Prime
#16 - 2012-10-19 17:23:21 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I can't find it in F&I.


This would be what you are looking for:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#17 - 2012-10-19 17:34:57 UTC
Thanks.

Oh god.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#18 - 2012-10-19 17:38:41 UTC
Different, but not better or worse in my opinion.

Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2012-10-19 17:44:51 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him.
Sure they will.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#20 - 2012-10-19 17:49:58 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.

The best part is that you think kill rights will be meaningful after Winter.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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