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Bob's Bait and Tackle 49
Lord Azori Bob's Bait and Tackle Likes received: 49	#21 - 2012-10-19 13:45:59 UTC 1 I think this is a great response by CCP to concerns raised by the community. Even better that the response worked its way into THIS tournament and not the next one. Props from me CCP, if it means anything.

Warde Guildencrantz

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#22 - 2012-10-19 14:28:49 UTC

corestwo wrote:

“There are only a select few that are wealthy enough to participate”

I don't know why you're pandering to anyone who actually believes this. Despite having barred faction modules, tournaments in Eve are not typically won by those who cannot put in a significant chunk of isk to finance their team's equipment. If they're poor enough that twenty plex instead of ten was some sort of enormous financial burden (oh no a whole twelve billion isk!) than odds are they'd probably not do well anyway.

Buying faction modules is not the issue, for most corps, ships are already present, and if they are not people want to buy them because they can use them in the tourney AND in game. However, buying 20 plex just to spend on a tournament is something else, because it couldn't be used in any other way afterwards. This is the issue smaller corps are having. We could purchase a whole fleet for 2-3bil, but 20 plexes in addition to that just to throw on a tourney is a bit much.

Anyways the changes are good.

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DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#23 - 2012-10-19 14:34:23 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

CCP Dolan wrote:

Hi all,

CCP Dolan here on behalf of my true broski CCP Bro, with updates on the New Eden Open's format and rules.

Pls read the blog here and leave your feedback and thoughts in this thread.

“The minimum PLEX bid is too high” and, “There are only a select few that are wealthy enough to participate”. When we decided on our team and auction format we envisioned indie teams of skilled pilots. Even though these sorts of teams don’t necessarily have enough ISK to fund their tournament and entry costs, we envisioned larger groups being able to fund these highly skilled teams. It is now clear to us know that the current prize structure provides no incentive for sponsorship in terms of rewards to the sponsor.

To Be Honest my first fear was that the auction system itself would be gamed so that the small guys would be quickly out bid in PLEX & the slot auctions would run into the 100's. I guess that is not true if the minimum bid is now being lowered to 10?
When I first started Eve I wasin an Alliance that tried to enter into an alliance tournament but we were quickly priced out... I recall putting acouple hundred million to a billion into the kitty & got it all back after a long wait from CCP. Since then I was a bit turned off from the process. Maybe if you are seeing many teams getting priced out a lotto( random draw) option for a few slots sort of like a few wildcard team slot like in the NFL would help with what some percieve as a spacerich only Tourney which the little guys can't afford?

Not being a leet PvPer though (well heck I guess I'm a carbear Bear

) Idon't feel qualified to dump on that side of the sandbox soo I hope it gets worked out & you all get into the watching Tourney so much you leave my Ice mining alt all alone gank free Bear

in gallante space. Have fun

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Splinter Foundation 1,770
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation Likes received: 1,770	#24 - 2012-10-19 14:42:44 UTC Now all you need to do is update some things like on this page: http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/tournament-info/rules

Blood Fanatics 904
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics Likes received: 904	#25 - 2012-10-19 15:11:36 UTC 1 LULZ 1st place team will receive 150 PLEX in addition to the cash prize. Its like 12+ years subscription in EvE ;P EvE isn't game, its style of living.

Get Out Nasty Face 3,886
Lady Spank Get Out Nasty Face Likes received: 3,886	#26 - 2012-10-19 15:27:41 UTC \| Edited by: Lady Spank 1 I take it there wasn't enough interest after the lackluster treatment of the last couple of tournaments. Hopefully you can redeem confidence in your abilities as these tournaments used to be very entertaining. (ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Scaugh

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#27 - 2012-10-19 15:34:07 UTC | Edited by: Scaugh

CCP Bro wrote:

Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

And how many teams signed so far ?

You can see a list of teams that have signed up on the tournament sign up page.

I've been looking for the teams and the only thing i can see is:

http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament

http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/tournament-info/rules

http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/tournament-info/entry

and

http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/tournament-info/prizes

Nowhere does it show who has signed up.

Edit: and yes the sign up page also does not show me anything

Faffywaffy

Fremen Sietch

Evasive Maneuvering.

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#28 - 2012-10-19 15:42:33 UTC

I realize it's tempting to give the AT prize ships a low point cost so that teams have an incentive to field them, and CCP gets the additional publicity from "OMG, a 50bil ship on the field", but it's not very fair to people who don't have them. Most, although not all, of them are clearly stronger than their t2 counterparts (it would be very strange if they weren't).

Conceptually what is the difference between giving those ships a lower cost than their utility is worth relative to other ships and, say, allowing officer modules?

Bloodpetal

Tir Capital Management Group

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#29 - 2012-10-19 15:42:41 UTC

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1979642#post1979642

CCP Sreegs wrote:

I guess we'll find out who's right when we open the bidding. You can go ahead and preserve this post for further discussion at that time based on fact rather than rampant and silly speculation.

I'll accept this thread as an agreement my foresight was somewhat valid.

Hats off to you gents.

Best of luck. :)

Where I am.

Vera Algaert

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#30 - 2012-10-19 15:53:45 UTC | Edited by: Vera Algaert

Warde Guildencrantz wrote:

We could purchase a whole fleet for 2-3bil, but 20 plexes in addition to that just to throw on a tourney is a bit much.

What corestwo is saying is that serious AT contenders have historically spent several times that amount on ammo alone (a statement which is admittedly a little deceiving as high-grade faction ammo is a major expense).
To throw around some numbers: Shadoo publicly proclaimed that PL spent about the cost of a titan on their AT participation last year and according to what a little birdie told me TEST had a 180b budget allocated for this year's AT.

If anything participation in the New Eden Open tournament will be even more costly than AT participation as the ban system forces you to prepare a really wide variety of setups (unless, of course, you want to be the one team who can't bring the best possible fleet comp because you relied on buying everything last minute and a competitor bought out Jita for a crucial component of your setup ... ).

Without the restriction rgd pilots having to have been in the alliance they fly for for a set amount of time (2 months for AT iirc?) buying highly specialized characters on the bazaar to fill holes in your line-up has also become a much more viable tactic (and again, due to the ban system you will need to have "all V" characters for a lot more different shiptypes and roles).

If you enter the tournament with the sole goal of having a fun tournament experience you can probably get by with very little expenditure but if you play to win you are not even going to notice the impact of an extra 5b on your budget.

Spurty

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#31 - 2012-10-19 15:55:48 UTC

Although real life means there's no hope in hell of me being part of a tournament (ever), I approve the changes. Hindsight is indeed 20/20 and you used the time you had wisely.

Good luck all who enter.

Woe betide people entering with any scheming / meta gaming planned.

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Jita Investing Compagny 0
Wendy Holl Jita Investing Compagny Likes received: 0	#32 - 2012-10-19 16:01:24 UTC You guys must have known this would screw with the PLEX prices. It even adds to the "conspiracy" that your Dr. in economics said PLEX's prices were being monitored and you had a cache of confiscated PLEX's to counteract fluctuations/speculation. So when the PLEX prices return to the 480 mil level after this, we will know you werent in it to make money

Gogela

Epic Ganking Time

CODE.

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#33 - 2012-10-19 16:17:34 UTC

Man... who cares? The tournament was a good idea before the change and it's still a good idea with the change. The fluctuations in PLEX prices don't have much to do w/ the tourney at all. PLEX goes up every year around this time. CCP... no matter what you do there are some really dumb people out there and they will find something to complain about. Don't let the naysayers rain on your parade, or deter you from doing this in the future. I think it's really cool we get to watch two well-produced tournaments in one year. Big smile

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corestwo

Goonfleet Investment Banking

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#34 - 2012-10-19 16:44:33 UTC

Vera Algaert wrote:

Warde Guildencrantz wrote:

We could purchase a whole fleet for 2-3bil, but 20 plexes in addition to that just to throw on a tourney is a bit much.

Precisely. No one to whom the entry fee was an issue will be a contender anyway.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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Poetic Stanziel

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#35 - 2012-10-19 20:57:40 UTC | Edited by: Poetic Stanziel

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/ccp-addresses-cash-money-tournament.html

So I wrote a thing a few days ago. About the cash-money tournament. I cross-posted to the EVE Online forums where it generated a reasonable amount of reasonable discussion.

Today, CCP Bro announced some changes to the tournament. Specifically the minimum bid amount for the auction, and an increased number of prizes.

So, the minimum bid amount is being reduced from 20 plex to 10 plex. Being an auction, this won't have much of an effect on the high bids, and we're sure to see bids approaching 40 plex. All fine and good, the rich teams are going to want to make sure they get a slot in the tourney. But as the auction wears on (32 available slots after all), I think we'll see some teams get into the tournament for sub-20 plex bids. And that's good.

I am also impressed that CCP is adding 275 plex to the tournament as additional prizes for first, second and third place. Payable either to the team sponsor or the team captain (to be divvied up, or not, as they see fit.)

There also will be additional prizes (for competitors and spectators) from Razer and Logitech.

CCP Bro also talked about their production costs:

Quote:

What most people fail to include is the significant production costs involved in a large scale production like the New Eden Open. For this tournament we are building an entirely new set, renting top of the line production equipment, and we are contracting professional sound and video engineers to ensure we deliver the best possible production to our players and fans.

To this I say, "Boo hoo." I'm still quite adamant that these tournaments are a marketing opportunity for CCP, and as such, the costs should not be borne by the players directly, on top of their subscription fees. (Every month you play this game, it is being paid for by someone.) Players had hoped for additional tournaments, but they weren't screaming for them. Players aren't demanding an entirely new stage set or the hiring of professional sound and video engineers. (The last set was nice, and could have been re-used with some minimal modifications. And Alliance Tournament X production was excellent, except for some feed hiccups, which I don't think a professional sound or video engineer would have solved.)

Anyhow, the point is, this tournament is marketing for the game, so write it off as a marketing expense. The players should not be underwriting these events for CCP. If these tournaments are too expensive for CCP, then they either shouldn't run them, or they should find sponsors to help underwrite them.

Other than tournament funding questions, these changes are very welcome indeed. Kudos to CCP for making these modifications to the tournament.

I'm looking forward to spectating the New Eden Open.


Poetic Stanziel The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,169	#36 - 2012-10-19 21:00:25 UTC Wendy Holl wrote: You guys must have known this would screw with the PLEX prices. 900-1000 plex is barely a blip on the plex market's radar. The New Eden Open had minimal effect on plex prices (10-20M ISK, at most, if that.)

Keirasu

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#37 - 2012-10-19 21:42:49 UTC

I often fail to bother saying something when I appreciate a change, but thank you CCP. This has really made the whole tournament a lot more interesting and exciting, now that you can really hope to win something big.

Really appreciate this change. I likely won't be able to compete this time around due to school, but if this is the track you are going down for E-sports style play I really look forward to participating in the future. This definitely opens things up for those of us not already firmly considered in the "elite" of eve pvp to show what we've got.

Thanks again!

Gevlin

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#38 - 2012-10-19 22:40:03 UTC

Since this seems more of a commercial event

I would love to see it hammed up a bit

Sponsor logos on ships
Special Sponsor 3d logo would appear as the ship exploded

On the edges of the areana area are this large TV board found at gates advertising sponsors
Sponsors showing as commercials on the broad cast,
Ticker tape advertising along the bottom of the broadcast feed

Worried about the advertising breaking the Emerson of the world because of the poor commercials made?

Allow a person the choice of 10 base commercials , with the option to add corp, alliance logos, 15 optional written slogans or catch phases or messages, option to include character portrait from eve

Oh baby this would be such an isk sink.!!!

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Tax Evading Ass. 189
Radius Prime Tax Evading Ass. Likes received: 189	#39 - 2012-10-20 00:35:05 UTC \| Edited by: Radius Prime nvm Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

State War Academy Caldari State 1
Reconnoitre State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 1	#40 - 2012-10-20 04:56:12 UTC love it.. Egames have other formats and leagues running for other games which don't charge. £344..00 to join and the pay out is higher infact it is free. Nice rip off scam CCP. You really can stick your torny's where the sun don't shine. what extra equipemnt. just use fraps like the rest of us. i'll await the ban and fanboys to flame on.